Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 92
  1. #21
    Ichiryuu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    The Parliaments
    Posts
    16,586
    Quote Originally Posted by RavenSupreme View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    In times of globalization you can't stay for yourself. A strong eu means strong member states
    Strong EU

    The strong members of the EU are getting weaker and are constantly supporting the weak ass countries in the EU, the weak countries in the EU are so weak that with infinite support from the strong countries they are still growing weaker, even now Greece still needs to loan billions upon billions of euro's.




    The Gourmet Legion - President Ichiryuu
    Join The Toriko Club, Read Toriko here!

  2. #22
    Instead of leaving the EU, why not just leave the planet?

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Ichiryuu View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Strong EU

    The strong members of the EU are getting weaker and are constantly supporting the weak ass countries in the EU, the weak countries in the EU are so weak that with infinite support from the strong countries they are still growing weaker, even now Greece still needs to loan billions upon billions of euro's.
    Dont mix up problematic fields of a continents bureaucracy with the overall economic and political power and influence it has. The eu was and is the worlds largest market. To stay relevant in the world the memberstates need to stay

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Ichiryuu View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Strong EU

    The strong members of the EU are getting weaker and are constantly supporting the weak ass countries in the EU, the weak countries in the EU are so weak that with infinite support from the strong countries they are still growing weaker, even now Greece still needs to loan billions upon billions of euro's.
    Dont mix up problematic fields of a continents bureaucracy with the overall economic and political power and influence it has. The eu was and is the worlds largest market. To stay relevant in the world the memberstates need to stay

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Pimp of Pimps View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Instead of leaving the EU, why not just leave the planet?
    I'd support that.

    still more towards nuke the British but eh.

  5. #25
    Ichiryuu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    The Parliaments
    Posts
    16,586
    Quote Originally Posted by RavenSupreme View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Dont mix up problematic fields of a continents bureaucracy with the overall economic and political power and influence it has. The eu was and is the worlds largest market. To stay relevant in the world the memberstates need to stay

    - - - Updated - - -



    Dont mix up problematic fields of a continents bureaucracy with the overall economic and political power and influence it has. The eu was and is the worlds largest market. To stay relevant in the world the memberstates need to stay
    Or you can just sign trade treaty's and just abandon the whole political bs.




    The Gourmet Legion - President Ichiryuu
    Join The Toriko Club, Read Toriko here!

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Ichiryuu View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Or you can just sign trade treaty's and just abandon the whole political bs.
    Trade treaties will not prevent third parties to intervene and make certain parts to abandon the ship.

    there is a reason why many new members of the EU are for example embracing TTIP since it opens the door for rich international investment - without taking a look at the economical downside

    without the EU the continents states can and will decide for themselves, therefore lowering the EUs value in the long run

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Ichiryuu View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Or you can just sign trade treaty's and just abandon the whole political bs.
    Trade treaties will not prevent third parties to intervene and make certain parts to abandon the ship.

    there is a reason why many new members of the EU are for example embracing TTIP since it opens the door for rich international investment - without taking a look at the economical downside

    without the EU the continents states can and will decide for themselves, therefore lowering the EUs value in the long run

  7. #27
    Ichiryuu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    The Parliaments
    Posts
    16,586
    Quote Originally Posted by RavenSupreme View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Trade treaties will not prevent third parties to intervene and make certain parts to abandon the ship.

    there is a reason why many new members of the EU are for example embracing TTIP since it opens the door for rich international investment - without taking a look at the economical downside

    without the EU the continents states can and will decide for themselves, therefore lowering the EUs value in the long run
    TTIP, let's poison all the europeans with all the shitty toxic american products that are forbidden here right now, because economy hurrr.




    The Gourmet Legion - President Ichiryuu
    Join The Toriko Club, Read Toriko here!

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Saki View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Every country should leave the EU not just Britain. It's undemocratic, did nothing but lower the quality of life, impoverished the people and caused conflicts all over Europe. It became a mindless pet of the US despite the horrible treatment.

    Will it benefit Britain? Without question, especially in the long run.
    Do I think they will exit? No, considering the foreign policy of the EU (including Britain) it would be impossible. They will find something to rig it like the Scottish referendum.
    What do you mean? What conflicts are you referring to exactly? Its only because we have the European Union that member nations have to allow the influx of refugees into their countries. Now you can say that immigration is still something that can exist without being a member nation, but I can guarantee you with 100% conviction that that wont happen in England with the conservaties in place. We'd see our borders closed massively and only people who meet criteria, which almost no ordinary refugee can meet, will be allowed in.

    I think there are a lot off good points to wanting to leave the EU, but the only trouble is theyre being made by the wrong people who do want us to leave for all the wrong reasons. Ultimately, I dont want to be trapped on a tiny island with the likes Borris Johnson in charge. The EU may be undemocratic and is a body that does needs reforming, but something like that is far easier to do if youre on the inside and not on the outside

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Ichiryuu View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    TTIP, let's poison all the europeans with all the shitty toxic american products that are forbidden here right now, because economy hurrr.
    There sure are many things which need to be evaluated in case of TTIP. However the mere quality of food for example are the least of problems. It is mostly things in the medical sector (with medicaments being released and if they have bad effects it's the victims part to prove it instead of first testing and then releasing) and the financial sector ( for example private companies being allowed to file lawsuit against states when their new found laws cause a loss in profit) which needs to be discussed.

    on top the project of the lawsuit against states will not be brought up before regular courts since they lack the personal and qualification to determine things and might as well be "biased" but separate institutional courts
    and this is the main problem since they are highly suspecctible to corruption

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Ichiryuu View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    TTIP, let's poison all the europeans with all the shitty toxic american products that are forbidden here right now, because economy hurrr.
    There sure are many things which need to be evaluated in case of TTIP. However the mere quality of food for example are the least of problems. It is mostly things in the medical sector (with medicaments being released and if they have bad effects it's the victims part to prove it instead of first testing and then releasing) and the financial sector ( for example private companies being allowed to file lawsuit against states when their new found laws cause a loss in profit) which needs to be discussed.

    on top the project of the lawsuit against states will not be brought up before regular courts since they lack the personal and qualification to determine things and might as well be "biased" but separate institutional courts
    and this is the main problem since they are highly suspecctible to corruption

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Ichiryuu View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    TTIP, let's poison all the europeans with all the shitty toxic american products that are forbidden here right now, because economy hurrr.
    TTIP is fucking evil, its a massive reason for staying. TTIP will be a massive leap forward in privatising the NHS with the way it will allow american businesses to sue the NHS. The tories have already talked about how stuff like ttip and the nhs is still open for debate

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Pogba View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    TTIP is fucking evil, its a massive reason for staying. TTIP will be a massive leap forward in privatising the NHS with the way it will allow american businesses to sue the NHS. The tories have already talked about how stuff like ttip and the nhs is still open for debate
    Funny sidenote: filing a lawsuit against EU memberstates via a formed contract is against EU law itself - and EU right is superior to third party contracts

    there is a reaso the entire thing is still under revision. Obviously no member state would want it in the long run (this as well counts for American states who for example suddenly reject a BASF product with a new law)

    The german minister of justice has contacted every of his colleagues regarding this matter already

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by RavenSupreme View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Funny sidenote: filing a lawsuit against EU memberstates via a formed contract is against EU law itself - and EU right is superior to third party contracts

    there is a reaso the entire thing is still under revision. Obviously no member state would want it in the long run (this as well counts for American states who for example suddenly reject a BASF product with a new law)

    The german minister of justice has contacted every of his colleagues regarding this matter already
    Precisely, EU Law is the only thing that is really keeping orgnisations like TTIP at bay for the time being.

    England does want it though, under this current far right government. Our trade minister has stated publically that talks between TTIP and England are ongoing. What we get out TTIP being given license to move in England is a loosening of american banking regulations, which would be a massive bonus to us in terms of our borrowing powers. The conservatives dont care about privatising the NHS when a bargaining chip like that is being put on the table. That is essentially what they mean when they say things like returning power back to England

  13. #33
    I think the UK should stay in but we really do need to renegotiate the terms of our argeement with the EU though most contries need to this is the presseing issue we need to work on

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Pogba View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Precisely, EU Law is the only thing that is really keeping orgnisations like TTIP at bay for the time being.

    England does want it though, under this current far right government. Our trade minister has stated publically that talks between TTIP and England are ongoing. What we get out TTIP being given license to move in England is a loosening of american banking regulations, which would be a massive bonus to us in terms of our borrowing powers. The conservatives dont care about privatising the NHS when a bargaining chip like that is being put on the table. That is essentially what they mean when they say things like returning power back to England
    The smaller The country the more it depends on the huge potential economic growth which TTIP promises - tho in terms of England there is one thing I do not understand. The EU law which prevents company driven lawsuits against member states of the eu will be allowed since Britain is no longer part of it

    so I don't get the reasoning in that regard at all

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Pogba View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Precisely, EU Law is the only thing that is really keeping orgnisations like TTIP at bay for the time being.

    England does want it though, under this current far right government. Our trade minister has stated publically that talks between TTIP and England are ongoing. What we get out TTIP being given license to move in England is a loosening of american banking regulations, which would be a massive bonus to us in terms of our borrowing powers. The conservatives dont care about privatising the NHS when a bargaining chip like that is being put on the table. That is essentially what they mean when they say things like returning power back to England
    The smaller The country the more it depends on the huge potential economic growth which TTIP promises - tho in terms of England there is one thing I do not understand. The EU law which prevents company driven lawsuits against member states of the eu will be allowed since Britain is no longer part of it

    so I don't get the reasoning in that regard at all

  15. #35
    火鳳燎原 Saki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Location
    Posts
    1,110
    Quote Originally Posted by Pogba View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    What do you mean? What conflicts are you referring to exactly? Its only because we have the European Union that member nations have to allow the influx of refugees into their countries. Now you can say that immigration is still something that can exist without being a member nation, but I can guarantee you with 100% conviction that that wont happen in England with the conservaties in place. We'd see our borders closed massively and only people who meet criteria, which almost no ordinary refugee can meet, will be allowed in.

    I think there are a lot off good points to wanting to leave the EU, but the only trouble is theyre being made by the wrong people who do want us to leave for all the wrong reasons. Ultimately, I dont want to be trapped on a tiny island with the likes Borris Johnson in charge. The EU may be undemocratic and is a body that does needs reforming, but something like that is far easier to do if youre on the inside and not on the outside

    EU's expansion towards Russia on behalf of NATO on behalf of the US. Keeps expanding while catapulting every country in the EU back to the stone age. I hope you're not mentioning the refugee tsunami as a positive side of the EU union? Countries are forced by the unelected EU dictators to take in a set amount of refugees that keeps rising with little to no plan. Hungary and Poland are in conflict with this decision. Greece is in anger, the rest of the EU citizens are against the refugee influx aswell, atleast the way it is handled. But plebs have no voice and the exact opposite is done. Nothing against refugees but look at the state of the EU countries before you import a horde with no plans. There's a ton of low class citizens in the EU wishing for work and a better quality of life, start with them. And the refugee/imigrant business has been booming long before the creation of an European union.

    The idea of a united Europe is good but the problem is that every representative in the European union is practically incompetent. No intelligence, no charisma, no solutions, just mindless zombies nodding yes to whatever the US orders them to do. And now the US is provoking Russia with an European meat shield while it's on another galaxy.


    Quote Originally Posted by RavenSupreme View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    The smaller The country the more it depends on the huge potential economic growth which TTIP promises - tho in terms of England there is one thing I do not understand. The EU law which prevents company driven lawsuits against member states of the eu will be allowed since Britain is no longer part of it

    so I don't get the reasoning in that regard at all
    The only ones benefitting from the extremely vague TTIP are the corporations. They want absolute reign over the markets with the ability to overwrite or bypass constitutions. France's already on fire.

  16. #36
    The King. Nordlending's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    8,580
    Quote Originally Posted by Pimp of Pimps View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Instead of leaving the EU, why not just leave the planet?
    To much work. They won't agree if they are going to bring Scotland along for the ride or not.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Pimp of Pimps View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Instead of leaving the EU, why not just leave the planet?
    To much work. They won't agree if they are going to bring Scotland along for the ride or not.
    The real world is cold! The real world doesn't care about spirit! You want to be a hero? Then play the part and die like every other Huntsman in history! As for me, I'll do what I do best: lie, steal, cheat and survive!

  17. #37
    PIERCE THE HEAVENS Bold's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    9,877
    He may be garbage when it comes to ministering education, but Gove fucking wrecked that Sky News interview/Q&A.

    What a savage.

    I didn't know he had it in him. Left Cameron in the dust.
    Last edited by Bold; 06-03-2016 at 08:34 PM.


    “With a man's soul and a strong back, go beyond the impossible and kick reason to the curb! Whether it's impossible or laughable, this is the path that ALL great men walk! If there's a wall in our way, we'll break it down! If there's no path, we'll make it with our own hands! The magma in our hearts is blazing like flames!Everlasting Combination: Gurren Lagann! WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE?! Believe in you who believes in yourself!! Isn't your Drill the one that will pierce the heavens, the earth and through to tomorrow?”
    -- Kamina

  18. #38
    Gummy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    1,328
    I'm personally voting to stay in. Our EU membership does cost us a lot of money but we also benefit from the increased trade and protection by EU laws.

  19. #39
    DoflaMihawk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    28,544
    I really need to start reading up on this.

  20. #40
    Halaros 536's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Greece
    Posts
    4,340
    Some of the complaints on Britain's part may be fair. Regardless, they should not leave, that's not the wise choice.

    Look people. There are times in History, where smaller formations are more adequate, they work greatly and they have their positive sides. Just like ancient Greek City States or city small cities like Venice or Genova much later, when again smaller formations were able to thrive. There are other times, when History favors large formations and massive states. Just like in the late Classical Period when Alexander understood that he had to unite the Greeks cause he understood that it was the time of unions. Some people like Demosthenes, although clever could not feel that, wanted to stay and cling on the older system of small city states and they were the left outs of History.

    Now, we are on a period which greatly demands large formations, larger than ever before. In the globalized world, you can't avoid global competitions from countries that may be dozens of times larger and more populated than yours. You have to either be able to compete on your own due to numbers and size like the US or China, or by being a part of something larger like the EU. Either that or you may turn out to be a protectorate of one of the big powers in order to survive. Now, of course you may say that numbers aint everything and of course countries like Britain have so many advantages in terms of institutions, technology, innovation opposed to big countries like India, but how long will that last in the globalized world?

    Of course, I'm not saying that Britain of all countries, one of the biggest economies of the world, will be helpless or will get destroyed on it's own. Far from that. If anything, Britain is one of the few EU countries that can realistically take that route. It will not be a disaster or anything like that. But it will never be able to have the kind of influence and impact in the world on it's own, nor will it ever become what it used to be in the past. And as the time goes on it may be overshadowed in terms of influence, power and economy by other, now developping countries. Keep in mind that the EU in total has issues competing, imagine how harder it will be for countries, even it's most powerful ones on their own. On the other hand, countries like Germany, France or Britain, being part of a larger formation can still use the power of that Union to exert a great influence in the world.

    In the end, for Britain both options are realistically on the table. On the long run it will not benefit from leaving though. This is the time for Unions, not division, or reverting to older smaller unities.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •