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    My offensive should be able to destroy his joke army, base with 30k men and attack the back of his offensive far before they break rihaku.

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    Well your defense is much better than his, but your offensive is much weaker. If it's a double team Tou and Eishi can take down Houken, and Ranbihaku would still be free to rampage inside your troops.
    Reiou will be able to guess what is happening with the 10k army and swiftly destroy it but the 30k center could hold a bit, and you'd have only switched places.

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    Well your defense is much better than his, but your offensive is much weaker. If it's a double team Tou and Eishi can take down Houken, and Ranbihaku would still be free to rampage inside your troops.
    Reiou will be able to guess what is happening with the 10k army and swiftly destroy it but the 30k center could hold a bit, and you'd have only switched places.
    A major difference is that my offensive has a lot of room to retreat without it endangering my other army, and their's even a hill to the far left of my side of the map. Whereas his army doesn't have much space to move . Even if my defensive got taken down as fast as his I'd still have the match because my army would be at his back because his defensive is much closer to his offensive than mine will be. He won't be able to turn a 160,000 man army around to it's rear so fast and will be routed from behind even if my army can't hold out. And even though his offensive is very strong I don't believe it'll get decimated nearly as fast as his. my offensive has the greater numerical advantage. 130-135k vs. 30k is a much bigger difference than 160k vs. 60k. I could even argue that my offensive has the better advantage as far as generals go because his defensive has only mediocre generals and my offensive has a GG(reiou), and three very good offensive generals/commanders. Whereas my defense atleast has a defensive specialist who's defensive skills i would consider GG level,Mouten and Houken.

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    30 000 + the reinforcement that is expected to be detached from the Earls army as the battle proceed.


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    Where's @Crispinianus; with his diagram!? I always find it so useful.

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    30 000 + the reinforcement that is expected to be detached from the Earls army as the battle proceed.
    that wasn't in the write up was it? Even if we assume that reinforcements are sent the momentum of the battle will have already swayed too far in my favor by that time for reinforcements to make much of a difference. Another thing to mention is that the strategist base is right behind the defensive army so my amy will literally be right at your armies back after they defeat the defensive army even if you did managed to beat mine just as fast

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    This is interesting. Nord seems to have went for a joke left side which would have been great if it was the side where Rihaku was but it isn't.

    Kinmou is honestly gonna be demolished extremely quickly.... Then there is a 30k defense led by a couple of mid carders. However, its not completely over since reinforcements will come. However, there is still going to be a big commander disparity here and they are heavily outnumbered because there can only be so many reinforcements vs 130k troops.

    On the flip side Rihaku is also going to be demolished. He is also heavily outnumbered. Rihaku might be able to hold somewhat against Tou or Earl Shi alone with even or greater numbers but against both of them and Ranbihaku he gets annihilated; however, he does have Houken to protect him if need be and his defense is still way better than the defense that Nord has.

    The end result is that Nord's strategists die, his mid carders that are on defense all die and Kinmou dies.

    On the other hand Rihaku should be completely overwhelmed and nearly finished at this point too.

    Tough to decide who wins. Does Rihaku and Houken retreat and regroup with Reiou or are they slain by the combo of Tou, Ranbihaku and Earl Shi?

    If they get slain Nord wins. If they manage to escape then then its interesting.
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    Void, please don't close it before I can make a Corner!

    How are we with votes so far?


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    No votes I think

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    Damn, how tight is the time limit?

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    Two big problems I have with this: Nord dedicated too little on his left, even on the hill. He also doesn't have a duel clause. I also don't know if Rihaku is setting up a HQ or if he is in the front.

    Nord looks to have the advantage though, his offensive is stronger and I'd like to think they won't duel but rather kill troops with that strat. That means Rihaku is doomed. Allara's offensive will crush Kinmou easily but will struggle with the hill until Reiou gets there. I'm conlficted, Nord has a good big or go home strat so it depends on how well Allara can hold up. His choice of Mangoku's army being the reinforcements isn't favorable though.
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    Damn, how tight is the time limit?
    little bit more than 26 hours left
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    Two big problems I have with this: Nord dedicated too little on his left, even on the hill. He also doesn't have a duel clause. I also don't know if Rihaku is setting up a HQ or if he is in the front.

    Nord looks to have the advantage though, his offensive is stronger and I'd like to think they won't duel but rather kill troops with that strat. That means Rihaku is doomed. Allara's offensive will crush Kinmou easily but will struggle with the hill until Reiou gets there. I'm conlficted, Nord has a good big or go home strat so it depends on how well Allara can hold up. His choice of Mangoku's army being the reinforcements isn't favorable though.

    little bit more than 26 hours left
    Mangoku's army isn't reinforcements they're just the weaker side of my offensive. They're all attacking at once but rinbuunkun's side has more offensive power. Rihaku isn't at the front he has an HQ. Why does Reiou have to be at the head of the army before they take the hill? Communication can be done with signals and the front of the army is more than equipt to deal with an army less than a 4th of it's size with mediocre commanders that has no room to retreat?

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    After reading the strategies and the discussion, I have to agree with Allara : 135k vs 30k is a MUCH greater advantage than 160k vs 60k, and on top of that the strategist in charge of Nord's defense doesn't seem up to the task (quite complicated if not impossible ) he's been given

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    This is interesting. Nord seems to have went for a joke left side which would have been great if it was the side where Rihaku was but it isn't.

    Kinmou is honestly gonna be demolished extremely quickly.... Then there is a 30k defense led by a couple of mid carders. However, its not completely over since reinforcements will come. However, there is still going to be a big commander disparity here and they are heavily outnumbered because there can only be so many reinforcements vs 130k troops.

    On the flip side Rihaku is also going to be demolished. He is also heavily outnumbered. Rihaku might be able to hold somewhat against Tou or Earl Shi alone with even or greater numbers but against both of them and Ranbihaku he gets annihilated; however, he does have Houken to protect him if need be and his defense is still way better than the defense that Nord has.

    The end result is that Nord's strategists die, his mid carders that are on defense all die and Kinmou dies.

    On the other hand Rihaku should be completely overwhelmed and nearly finished at this point too.

    Tough to decide who wins. Does Rihaku and Houken retreat and regroup with Reiou or are they slain by the combo of Tou, Ranbihaku and Earl Shi?

    If they get slain Nord wins. If they manage to escape then then its interesting.
    Rihaku has a lot of room to retreaat so houken and rihaku should be able to escape and very likely will since rihaku's job is defensive. Also the way a tag team vs. Houken would go is not known, remember how well rinko did against shin and ouhon? Even if rihaku's army did get decimated my army should beable to devastate the back ofhis before he can regroup.

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    Mangoku's army isn't reinforcements they're just the weaker side of my offensive. They're all attacking at once but rinbuunkun's side has more offensive power.
    If it is necessary he will ask reiou for reinforcements which will come from Mangoku's army
    You have to communicate through a burning forest or to Gakujo as the middle man, then get to Reiou and then get to Mangoku's army. Who will then have to travel the map's distance just to shit their pants at Tou and Earl Shi slicing Houken apart to make sandwiches.

    Rihaku isn't at the front he has an HQ.
    Where is the HQ?

    Why does Reiou have to be at the head of the army before they take the hill?
    So he can grasp the situation better, I don't think Reiou speaks chest thump, mountain monkey screeching, or rapist language.

    Communication can be done with signals and the front of the army is more than equipt to deal with an army less than a 4th of it's size with mediocre commanders that has no room to retreat?
    You don't have a blitz strat, I assume you have to sweep up Kinmou's joke army before you confront the hill commanders, who have a terrain advantage.
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    The Crispy Insight Corner!

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    BASE SITUATION

    There's one thing that immediately jumps to the eye: Allara didn't give Reiou an army. Sure, he's the commander in chief of the right side and he has Rinbukun and Mangoku at his disposition, but he didn't get to possess men of his own. I think this is a legit mistake from Allara's part, he just tactically neutralized his best commander to my eyes. Still, he can count on a huge offensive power in his deputies and if anything this will guarantee a super fast attack, which is what Nord feared the most on that side.

    Anyway, the battle will be decided elsewhere. On the other side, I think Rihaku is the key man for the whole match. Let's go deeper into this and let's see why:


    RIHAKU HOLDS

    Rinbukun with his overwhelming 80k men charge doesn't leave doubts on Kinmou's chances of surviving this. But Shoubunkun, the old seasoned warrior, had plenty of time to set up defenses to the lynchpin hill and he has in Gakuei and Kou Rigen a bloodlusted aristocrat and a Ten Bows member, ideal to put up a fight under these conditions. I think Shoubunkun can realistically hold a lot, this until Reiou grows tired of Rinbukun's efforts and takes over his army to launch the definitive offensive. It goes without saying that Shoubunkun will fall at some point. The difference in numbers don't help him. But can he hold long enough to have Tou striking Reiou from behind and eventually concluding the battle in Nord's favor?

    First possibility: Rihaku, the defense oriented tactician, holds the enemy wave and manages to fight back. Mouten's position is ideal here too. Houken's presence will be of use ONLY if Tou's charge is somehow stopped and he's forced to go through this duel to proceed or disengage. Eishi can butt in but Mouten is most likely tagging him tight. Ten can call Eishi back to reinforce Shoubunkun at the very least but once Tou loses the duel against Houken, hopes for Nordlending are pretty much lost.


    TOU BREAKS THROUGH

    Second possibility: Rihaku can't stop Tou's charge and Earl Shi following soon after makes it impossible for him to repair the fracture or even try to deliver collateral damage to Tou's rear. If Tou pierces, Houken's presence will be useless as well, as Nord's commanders are ordered to never stop the charging flow and the bushin won't be able to force a duel if the battle doesn't get a little more static. At this point, Earl Shi can stay and engage with Rihaku, or he can follow Tou, but what we know for sure is that Tou is going all the way to Reiou's back without anyone who can stop him. If Shoubunkun is still keeping his ground, then Allara's main offensive will die out and the battle irremediably decided on his opponent's favor.


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    I admit I totally forgot about Ranbi-chan
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    The Crispy Insight Corner!

    This battlefield is a washing machine, let's see how our delightful commanders interpreted it!


    BASE SITUATION

    There's one thing that immediately jumps to the eye: Allara didn't give Reiou an army. Sure, he's the commander in chief of the right side and he has Rinbukun and Mangoku at his disposition, but he didn't get to possess men of his own. I think this is a legit mistake from Allara's part, he just tactically neutralized his best commander to my eyes. Still, he can count on a huge offensive power in his deputies and if anything this will guarantee a super fast attack, which is what Nord feared the most on that side.

    Anyway, the battle will be decided elsewhere. On the other side, I think Rihaku is the key man for the whole match. Let's go deeper into this and let's see why:


    RIHAKU HOLDS

    Rinbukun with his overwhelming 80k men charge doesn't leave doubts on Kinmou's chances of surviving this. But Shoubunkun, the old seasoned warrior, had plenty of time to set up defenses to the lynchpin hill and he has in Gakuei and Kou Rigen a bloodlusted aristocrat and a Ten Bows member, ideal to put up a fight under these conditions. I think Shoubunkun can realistically hold a lot, this until Reiou grows tired of Rinbukun's efforts and takes over his army to launch the definitive offensive. It goes without saying that Shoubunkun will fall at some point. The difference in numbers don't help him. But can he hold long enough to have Tou striking Reiou from behind and eventually concluding the battle in Nord's favor?

    First possibility: Rihaku, the defense oriented tactician, holds the enemy wave and manages to fight back. Mouten's position is ideal here too. Houken's presence will be of use ONLY if Tou's charge is somehow stopped and he's forced to go through this duel to proceed or disengage. Eishi can butt in but Mouten is most likely tagging him tight. Ten can call Eishi back to reinforce Shoubunkun at the very least but once Tou loses the duel against Houken, hopes for Nordlending are pretty much lost.


    TOU BREAKS THROUGH

    Second possibility: Rihaku can't stop Tou's charge and Earl Shi following soon after makes it impossible for him to repair the fracture or even try to deliver collateral damage to Tou's rear. If Tou pierces, Houken's presence will be useless as well, as Nord's commanders are ordered to never stop the charging flow and the bushin won't be able to force a duel if the battle doesn't get a little more static. At this point, Earl Shi can stay and engage with Rihaku, or he can follow Tou, but what we know for sure is that Tou is going all the way to Reiou's back without anyone who can stop him. If Shoubunkun is still keeping his ground, then Allara's main offensive will die out and the battle irremediably decided on his opponent's favor.
    Don't forget about Ranbihaku!
    Its like a merry go round and thats the problem here for Allara. Allara can eliminate SBK and those other guys in a millisecond but he actually has to travel a greater distance to reach SBK. And if Nord loses Ten and those mid carders lets be honest thats not much of a loss. Then by the time those guys are eliminated he has to travel even more since Tou and co have moved to the other side of the map.

    Also nice Kinmou tombstone .

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    Rihaku has a lot of room to retreaat so houken and rihaku should be able to escape and very likely will since rihaku's job is defensive. Also the way a tag team vs. Houken would go is not known, remember how well rinko did against shin and ouhon? Even if rihaku's army did get decimated my army should beable to devastate the back ofhis before he can regroup.
    I don't agree with the bolded. Not because its going to take you long to defeat SBK and friends. It will be over for them in a flash but because you basically have to travel 3/4ths a circle to reach Tou since he has advanced to Rihaku's position already.

    Also don't forget about Ranbihaku either.

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    Don't forget about Ranbihaku!
    He's included with Tou.

    Its like a merry go round and thats the problem here for Allara. Allara can eliminate SBK and those other guys in a millisecond but he actually has to travel a greater distance to reach SBK.
    Oh, not really. Tou has to run through the whole map to reach his target, and he has a serious menace in the middle. Reiou has to cover less than half of that distance and Kinmou isn't even holding enough to be considerable a time buyer. That said, Shoubunkun, Gakuei and Kou Rigen aren't quite falling in a millisecond.

    And if Nord loses Ten and those mid carders lets be honest thats not much of a loss. Then by the time those guys are eliminated he has to travel even more since Tou and co have moved to the other side of the map.
    Ten's his main strategist

    There's the HQ, the flags and everything there. Also, Tou on his own can't do anything regardless.


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    So the message here is:

    DON'T FORGET ABOUT RANBIHAKU

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