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  1. Vista wins. Come at me.

    Vista wins.

    Come at me.
  2. No he wasn't. He didn't just sit on his ass for a...

    No he wasn't. He didn't just sit on his ass for a year doing nothing. A year is s very long time and he clearly increased in strength during that year.

    Regardless, it still wasn't preskip.
  3. That's during the skip, not before.

    That's during the skip, not before.
  4. No he didn't

    No he didn't
  5. Mihawk commands a ton of respect, he is not...

    Mihawk commands a ton of respect, he is not treated badly in this series. Remember the reaction when he arrived at Marineford for the Shichibukai meeting? The fanbase in general holds him to very...
  6. You said you don't consider his title important,...

    You said you don't consider his title important, when his title alone puts him on the same level as people like Shanks and Rayleigh. That's like ignoring Whitebeard's title or the fact that Roger was...
  7. Incorrect. With Mihawk vs. Vista we have three...

    Incorrect. With Mihawk vs. Vista we have three statements that lend credence to Vista's strength. We have no such statements with Luffy vs Fujitora. Z wrote a good post ahile back why saying Luffy...
  8. If that's shown to be the case, then that's that....

    If that's shown to be the case, then that's that. But as of now there's no evidence for how strong Gear 4th is except that it's vastly above regular Luffy.
  9. We do not know how Gear 4th compares to stronger...

    We do not know how Gear 4th compares to stronger characters. That's really all there is to it. If you have evidence of how strong it is, feel free to show me.

    So now you're going to discount his...
  10. Wrecking Smoker: An irrelevant point when...

    Wrecking Smoker: An irrelevant point when comparing to a top-tier or a high end high-tier. Not impressive in this context.

    Humiliating Sanji and Law: Same as above.

    Exceptional DF abilities:...
  11. ​What has Doflamingo done for you to think he can...

    ​What has Doflamingo done for you to think he can beat Vista?
  12. No. Do you think Marco was wrong in his...

    No. Do you think Marco was wrong in his assessment? Do you think Oda having Mihawk praising Vista and then asking him to stop the fight was without reason? It's pretty clear Mihawk could not move...
  13. Why a small case? Why not a 50/50 chance?

    Why a small case? Why not a 50/50 chance?
  14. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to take on a...

    I don't see why he wouldn't be able to take on a serious Mihawk, because everything points to Mihawk having been serious. Would he push mihawk to extreme? No. High-diff? Unlikely. But he would push...
  15. I don't understand why the duel is not enough? As...

    I don't understand why the duel is not enough? As for the instance with Crocodile, it he was he who blocked Crocodile and not the other way around. Mihawk did get his attack blocked by Daz Bones, but...
  16. Definitely not. Vista's hand speed is fast enough...

    Definitely not. Vista's hand speed is fast enough to react to a serious Mihawk.

    The only thing we need if the duel with Mihawk. Marco was confident in Vista's ability to stop Mihawk and Mihawk...
  17. Look at how things went down. One, Doflamingo...

    Look at how things went down. One, Doflamingo moves to kill Smoker because of what Smoker knows. Two, Aokiji appears and makes it clear he's not going to let Doflamingo do so. Three, Doflamingo...
  18. I never said that Vice-Admirals were factors...

    I never said that Vice-Admirals were factors against Marco and Vista. I said that they were up against half the Marines.

    Doflamingo is indeed fodder to Vista based on the evidence. We saw what...
  19. Mihawk noted how wellknown Vista ws (which is an...

    Mihawk noted how wellknown Vista ws (which is an indirect reference to his strength) and then had to ask to end the fight which was also an acknowledgement of Vista's strength. Vista was very clearly...
  20. Again you're making things up. We infer things,...

    Again you're making things up. We infer things, we don't foolishly go only off of what we see. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You said that there were only fodder but that cannot be...
  21. Right, so if the scans didn't explicitly show...

    Right, so if the scans didn't explicitly show strong dudes we just assume they were there? You think all the strong folk just decided to go play with Blackbeard? Half the Marines, half the Marines. ...
  22. You said he only had fodder, prove it. All we...

    You said he only had fodder, prove it. All we know is that he had half the Marines. Don't make things up.
  23. You're making things up. Akainu had half the...

    You're making things up. Akainu had half the Marines.
  24. Akainu wasn't alone.

    Akainu wasn't alone.
  25. A cheapshot isn't indicative of how a real fight...

    A cheapshot isn't indicative of how a real fight would go.

    No, it's simple math that Whitebeard would have an easier time with Vista than with Akainu. There's no reason to think Vista would be...
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