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    remind me on monday or late tomorrow
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    twas gnx
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    wait, you were?
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    wasn't the corner clear af

    btw was waiting for goba to get in, now i'll probably maybe perhaps make the match
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    who else voted beside me?
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    finish your shit with void you impatient skunk
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    the latter lol
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    it's honestly such a mess i can't even understand it.
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    think it's too close to call either way
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    I'm not neglecting anything, I even mentioned how Houken said he was better at speed, strength and technique, yet he wasn't able to defeat him. He was about to die when Ouki stopped because he sensed Riboku approaching (ch 166). Same thing happened a little later, except this time the interference was an arrow (ch 169). You can't call him a god tier when there is someone who has shown to be stronger than him in a fight.
    Stronger or not, with all his weight and everything included, he was about to drop to 4-5 strikes.

    Rankings change all the time. Most characters are evolving. Does that mean that BoS tiers will be upheld until EoS? Of course not.
    he wasn't able to defeat ou ki because his body was too battered by the time he unshackled. ou ki wasn't stronger than hou ken at that point. hou ken was just handicapped throughout the whole fight.

    anyways, i said you're neglecting it because you insist on using a scale as inconsistent as hou ken despite acknowledging the several variables that influence his fights.


    the point is you can't use a scale that's constantly changing because of how inconsistent it is. can't use an argument like "oh, well, ou ki did better against hou ken" as a basis for tiering since it's completely possible that duke could've done better with a rage boost, or against hou ken's weaker bayou version.

    similarly, the kyou example doesn't consider her lack of rage or her reach disadvantage.

    you make sure to note the influences in individual fights, but disregard them completely in your comparisons. this way of tiering is bogus because it doesn't, and can't factor in all the variables in their different performances evenly.

    Kyou giving Ouki trouble, based on what? She lost to a weak Houken, the same Houken who said that he didn't lose to Ouki because of fighting Kyou, but because there was a fundamental difference in their strength.
    based on a statement in series

    besides, kyou actually had the upper hand on even hou ken throughout their whole fight up until hou ken stepped on her foot, so wouldn't really say he won there purely because he was the better fighter.
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