Tokio

Oh, thought it was weird you weren't posting.

You haven't said anything about my match with Void.

Ouki was losing until he got mad, then he started winning, then Houken unshackled, after which Ouki missed two chances to finish him off.

I'm not actually sure what we're discussing here with this example. I'm just saying that Houken cannot be god tier when there is a number of people who can reach him, like Ouki, Renpa, Moubu, Kanmei and perhaps Gaimou, Earl Shi, Tou and the Duke.

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Like I said, I have no problem with the definition changing. Actually, the definition stays the same, it's just the variables that change. I don't consider Houken a god tier for the reason I just stated.

Regardless of what I think of Houken though, would you not agree that the weakest top tier should be able to give the strongest top tier at least a low diff fight? Would it not be nonsensical to have two fighters in the same tier if one of them can no-diff the other?

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Ranbihaku is more of a best than he is a man, given his intelligence stat. Him being troublesome to anyone shouldn't be that weird.

I don't see how Tou's interpretation would weigh more than what Houken said, the man who fought them both.

Originally Posted by Tokio

similar would apply to hou ken for the reasons below

Not really, because he's not out of everyone's reach.

you're neglecting the fact that hou ken had the upper hand against even ou ki even with his mental handicap, and that ou ki was only able to turn it around due to his weight and rage.

forgotten that an unshackled hou ken was able to one-sidedly push ou ki back despite his buffs. that tou was only able to push hou ken back due to his rage.

that the duke fought an even stronger hou ken than the one ou ki did, etc.

could go on, but point is you're using a scale inconsistent with even itself. on top of hou ken just being well beyond anyone else in pure strength, your standard is fallible because it's constantly evolving and changes depending on the circumstance. yet you're trying to use it as your basis to compare characters as if their feats are all performed under neutral conditions.

don't know where you got that tiers are based on how characters would fare against a single character in a fight, but it's a flawed standard through and through.

I'm not neglecting anything, I even mentioned how Houken said he was better at speed, strength and technique, yet he wasn't able to defeat him. He was about to die when Ouki stopped because he sensed Riboku approaching (ch 166). Same thing happened a little later, except this time the interference was an arrow (ch 169). You can't call him a god tier when there is someone who has shown to be stronger than him in a fight.

Stronger or not, with all his weight and everything included, he was about to drop to 4-5 strikes.

Rankings change all the time. Most characters are evolving. Does that mean that BoS tiers will be upheld until EoS? Of course not.

It's used pretty much everywhere from what I've seen, the lowest in one tier shouldn't get fodderized by the highest in the same tier.

naturally you'd draw the line where there's the gap in the characters portrayal.

kyou would be the standard because her strength as one of the former 6gg's holds more weight as an example in the series.

giving a character like kyou trouble would have way more impact story-wise than giving rbk or shou mou difficulty because the series practically defines her strength as top tier.

plus the disparity in strength between characters like kyou and shou mou is evidently larger than the single digit difference would imply alone. a 94 like kyou could give even ou ki trouble, but a 93 like shou mou was one-shotted by him.

So how's Rinbukun's portrayal? He's 1 point off from Kyou and conquered 100 cities (just like Kyou).

Kyou giving Ouki trouble, based on what? She lost to a weak Houken, the same Houken who said that he didn't lose to Ouki because of fighting Kyou, but because there was a fundamental difference in their strength.

Hmmm fair enough

Why though? END was hyped to be a match for Zeref himself

Btw, where does END Natsu alongside Gray scale to? Are they small island via scaling to FDKM or island via scaling to Irene/August?

Ok, sorry to bother you, I am being pestered about Fiore’s size from someone who doesn’t believe in planet size countries or something like that, despite having info that can be used for calcing

Hello Tokyo, Where is the thread that confirms the size of Fiore?

alright, thanks

it might be pretty extensive so I'm just worried about the order is all