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Albion
04-10-2016, 11:47 PM
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Series of Origin: Bleach
Age: 100+ years
Species: Shinigami
Gender: Male
Standard Equipment: Zanpakuto
Destructive Capacity: City Level+
Durability: City Level+
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+
Stamina: High
Weakness: Shikai takes time to listen, he is also subjugated to the rules of his Shikai
Striking Strength: Class PJ
Lifting Strength: Class G Intelligence: Very High, is a very deceptive fighter
Powers and Abilities:
Shikai: The release command for Shunsui's Zanpakuto is "Flower Wind Rage and Flower God Roar, Heavenly Wind Rage and Heavenly Demon Sneer" (花風紊れて花神啼き天風紊れて天魔嗤う,hana kaze midarete, kashin naki, tenpū midarete, tenma warau; Viz "When the Flower Wind Rages, the Flower God Roars, When the Wind of Heaven Rages, the God of the Underworld Sneers"). http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lZQTkyK7Dy0/UbFlU5PeSZI/AAAAAAAAULk/coMLpp1uw3s/s16000/011.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eOpJcYf9dvQ/UbFlVpqQEYI/AAAAAAAAULs/Opaota84c4g/s16000/012.jpgHis Shikai ability makes children's games into reality and forces both his opponent and himself to follow by them, each Shikai ability represents a different children's game.
Bushougama: Shunsui twirls his blade and makes a gust of wind that traps his opponents, it is strong enough to block ceros from Starrk.
Taka Oni: Whoever is on higher ground wins
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VdusWvJCqRY/VM2LNuykfeI/AAAAAAAAdNY/dar-TF2q-EU/s16000/010.pnghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z03hktFCGpk/VM2LQ5a14GI/AAAAAAAAdNg/wEmuO9-M1vY/s16000/011.png


Kage Oni: This ability gives Shunsui the ability come out of the tiniest shadow. His body and/or his weapon to come out of his opponent's shadow. Whoever's shadow gets stepped on loses in this game.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8zv5pVPY0Xc/TlY7A9jmIrI/AAAAAAAADvk/yQPaTZgOdUo/s16000/000.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Re808KAmxXM/TlY7DqHSMuI/AAAAAAAADwM/T9tmuyWqgMw/s16000/001.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tAvger2FoC8/TlY7IyO4k6I/AAAAAAAADw0/vwNspQeUDP0/s16000/002.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-80Z_wHsNhi0/TlY7YIbckfI/AAAAAAAADzc/0vkAvLtWtbE/s16000/005.jpg

Iro Oni- Shunsui calls out a color the damage you take is equal to how much of that color you are wearing, this ability ignores conventional durability. The opponent and Shunsui have to take turns when calling out a color.http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7_QDgmpfjC4/TlY7riiyBYI/AAAAAAAAD2Y/q5qtdGlr5Mc/s16000/011.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pkNqQH0_7gY/TlY71UQ8tBI/AAAAAAAAD3o/eimPLnVQ_CI/s16000/013.jpg
Damura-san Fell Over: To be able to start the game, the player has to be able to see the Reiatsu of the attack from "It", the player is then able to travel on the trail of the Reiatsu left by the attack making it the shortest distance to travel to the person who is "It" . If the player can touch whoever is "It" before they are seen the player wins. However if the player is seen moving by "It" said player dies.http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3SnBuWdWIJM/Vg1HQ_zMq7I/AAAAAAAAC1U/kQ7uIsD44uE/s16000-Ic42/008.pnghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O_aU6Okr5Fk/Vg1HRe8xHTI/AAAAAAAAC1U/XbCtRErL5HQ/s16000-Ic42/009.png
Kageokuri- Whenever a person stares hard enough at Shunsui's shadows an afterimage is created, if said person has a high Reikaku the afterimages become more life like. It was later shown that even a glimpse of Shunsui's shadows is enough to activate this ability.http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0ZK4Qwc4lik/Vg1HV5iEZjI/AAAAAAAAC1U/_IvU2o8BrGE/s16000-Ic42/018.pnghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dCxWsGM1_wo/VhU5_AnvQwI/AAAAAAAADD8/wPVa1VeWEDw/s16000-Ic42/012.png

Bankai: The release command for Shunsui's Bankai is Katen Kyōkotsu: Karamatsu Shinjū (花天狂骨枯松心中, Bones of Heavenly Blooming Madness: Withering Pine Lovers' Suicide). When activated shadows spread across the ground and Katen Kyokotsu in her spirit form appears behind Shunsui. The sky appears darker making it seem dark and gloomy, and people in the vicinity start to get chills across their bodies. Shunsui's bankai also works by levels.http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--0JuGHUoEHE/Vh_BZexeNdI/AAAAAAAAEEc/TVVr56eI89E/s16000-Ic42/019.pnghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ra797ASDOY0/Vij0sUnvqUI/AAAAAAAAE_Q/Rg6Rjie5P1Y/s16000-Ic42/008.pnghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OuShyrbS9MI/Vij0sdr2r0I/AAAAAAAAE_Q/eLFsdluF0iA/s16000-Ic42/009.png

First Dan Hesitating Sharing of Wound - Injuries that are inflicted on Shunsui appears on his opponent.http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7sDDhxlV0BE/Vij0uOBe6gI/AAAAAAAAE_Q/MhNwmTyeWnU/s16000-Ic42/015.pnghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bDeGP9y1REY/Vij0ucWOW6I/AAAAAAAAE_Q/8srhKdJJvHs/s16000-Ic42/016.png

Second Dan Bed of Shame- After getting the same wounds as Shunsui, the opponent now gets an incurable disease which makes spots appear on said person's body, it also causes excess bleeding from the eyes and nose.http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JBLU8P4Oeyo/Vij0u2VZSEI/AAAAAAAAE_Q/iipJWU5Neeg/s16000-Ic42/018.png

Third Dan Dangyo's Abyss- Both Shunsui and his opponent's body goes into a deep body of water until their Reiatsu completely runs out.http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IclInGEQ2hk/Vij0vOjgKkI/AAAAAAAAE_Q/PcWipqXagQE/s16000-Ic42/019.pnghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HKCIC22ig7Y/VjIOyR4kYDI/AAAAAAAAF-o/zivgApxaKJI/s16000-Ic42/005.png
Final Dan Thread Cutting Shears- Bloodstained Windpipe- Shunsui gathers multiple threads around his opponent's throat which he then pulls slicing the person's throat which starts to expand and thenexplodes, which results in blowing up the opponent's head.http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-E6kj5aGReCI/VjIOz-ZdBKI/AAAAAAAAF-o/CxwNNqprjOY/s16000-Ic42/011.pnghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-U79xCiYjlCg/VjIO0LEncVI/AAAAAAAAF-o/XswvqPNu0H8/s16000-Ic42/012.pnghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vYoT0nC0_Dc/VjIO0hCT1pI/AAAAAAAAF-o/ISXduVayE98/s16000-Ic42/013.png

I was bored. :maybe

Le nettoyeur
04-10-2016, 11:57 PM
TFw this only his hax which makes him dangerous

Albion
04-11-2016, 12:12 AM
Yeah he's pretty hax, the only reason I didn't pick him for the tournament was because his Bankai effects allies too.

bootleg boy
04-11-2016, 12:28 AM
Can't believe I forgot him. I would've picked him for the tournament.

Profile looks good.

Albion
04-11-2016, 11:34 AM
So everyone agrees with this? :maybe

Featherine
04-11-2016, 11:40 AM
Looks fine to me and Teo you should have taken him it would have made my match easier if I came up against you

bootleg boy
04-11-2016, 12:24 PM
Not at all. Would've made him a tough match for you :datass

Featherine
04-11-2016, 02:44 PM
Not at all. Would've made him a tough match for you :datass

Teo my Boy Hruting and Thereom Defense Formula combo is too tough :datass

bootleg boy
04-11-2016, 03:52 PM
Teo my Boy Hruting and Thereom Defense Formula combo is too tough :datass

Could think of a few ways to counter it with the team I had in mind :maybe

too bad I couldn't think of it sooner :lmao would've been fun to go against your team

Featherine
04-11-2016, 03:58 PM
Could think of a few ways to counter it with the team I had in mind :maybe

too bad I couldn't think of it sooner :lmao would've been fun to go against your team

Let's see if the Pirates/Marines will defeat the Magicians

i use LN characters so it's not easy to get information on them comapred to Manga characters of course

i would also have liked to debate against you Teo and please enlighten me of thy's plan

:catcry

bootleg boy
04-11-2016, 04:44 PM
tippity top secret :maybe

maybe if there's another one i'll use it

Featherine
04-11-2016, 05:12 PM
tippity top secret :maybe

maybe if there's another one i'll use it

Please Tell me thy's Secret Great Lord Teo :catno

but then we may have different rules which means new characters

Zentos
03-11-2017, 01:37 PM
Albion;

I believe an update is long-overdue for his stats.

Albion
03-11-2017, 01:39 PM
@Albion (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=7398);

I believe an update is long-overdue for his stats.
Hm don't think Shunsui gets a boost though. :catthink

Zentos
03-11-2017, 01:41 PM
Hm don't think Shunsui gets a boost though. :catthink

Nonsense. He's not a hax fighter like Kurotsuchi, he's primarily a brawler with some hax added into his shikai and bankai being an extreme case of hax. There's not way he's captain commander while loitering around BoS Ichigo levels stat-wise.


Y; Hendrix;

Thoughts?

Albion
03-11-2017, 01:47 PM
Nonsense. He's not a hax fighter like Kurotsuchi, he's primarily a brawler with some hax added into his shikai and bankai being an extreme case of hax. There's not way he's captain commander while loitering around BoS Ichigo levels stat-wise.


@Y (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=9506); @Hendrix (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=8368);

Thoughts?
BoS Ichigo was like Town Level.
Plus there isn't anything we can use to say he is around Kenpachi's level of power, except for being the Captain Commander. :catthink

Zentos
03-11-2017, 01:52 PM
Albion;

Kenpachi is on the other side of the spectrum, he's a raw strength beast with nothing else going for him. Maybe Shunsui should be somewhere in between?

Y
03-11-2017, 01:55 PM
well, there's logically no way for him to be way out of Kenpachis ballpark but you can't definitely give him an raw power upgrade with nothing to scale too.

He does however scale to the MHS+.

R
03-11-2017, 01:57 PM
being kenpachis superior and single handedly battling a SR is more than enough reason for me to give him the shikai kenpachi scaling

i mean cmon. we go by what is most reasonable despite it not being shown crystal clear each and every time

Albion
03-11-2017, 02:00 PM
@Albion (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=7398);

Kenpachi is on the other side of the spectrum, he's a raw strength beast with nothing else going for him. Maybe Shunsui should be somewhere in between?
Well there you go we don't know where he goes for sure. It's going to take something more to say he can scale to Kenpachi.

Zentos
03-11-2017, 02:00 PM
Y;

Why? Kenpachi was counted as a special war potential on nothing but his fighting strength. Shunsui has kido and a hax zanpakuto. I don't think he can compare to Kenpachi DC-wise in bankai. He could scale to his shikai though.

Doesn't he have anyone else to scale to? Byakuya, Hitsugaya, some of the quincy?

Albion
03-11-2017, 02:01 PM
He does however scale to the MHS+.
From what? :hmm

Y
03-11-2017, 02:05 PM
From what? :hmm

the cube, M5600.

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@Y (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=9506);

Why? Kenpachi was counted as a special war potential on nothing but his fighting strength. Shunsui has kido and a hax zanpakuto. I don't think he can compare to Kenpachi DC-wise in bankai. He could scale to his shikai though.

Doesn't he have anyone else to scale to? Byakuya, Hitsugaya, some of the quincy?

youll have to make pretty good points for him to scale to those, he is mostly baxed on his hax.

Albion
03-11-2017, 02:07 PM
Hm alright. :catthink

I might as well upload better images later. :catgrin

Rave
03-11-2017, 02:11 PM
Isn't the mach 5600 feat Yhwach's? If so, why would Shunsui scale to that? There's a mach 1K feat he should scale to though

Definitely don't see why Shunsui would scale to Zaraki when characters with better dc like Urahara and Shinigami Aizen are still sitting at city level

Zentos
03-11-2017, 02:11 PM
Eh, I don't have time at the moment to try and persuade all of you otherwise. I just found it silly that one of the strongest Bleach characters had been placed so low.

Urahara and shinigami Aizen hadn't shown any better feats or fought someone with higher scaling. The exception would he Urahara's punch after his hand got remade by his bankai, but I'm unsure if that's enough to make a case.

Shunsui on the other hand completely dominated Lille until he pulled out bird form.

But if we can't get any tangible evidence of him pulling something bigger, guess he'll have to sit at these stats. Doesn't sit well, though. :kanyeshrug

W
03-11-2017, 02:16 PM
Shouldn't his final act scale to Kenapchi's Shikai at least?

Rave
03-11-2017, 02:20 PM
Urahara fought Chrysalis Aizen who has much better stats than Lille and Aizen is undeniably better than Shunsui at everything besides hax

Y
03-11-2017, 02:33 PM
Isn't the mach 5600 feat Yhwach's? If so, why would Shunsui scale to that? There's a mach 1K feat he should scale to though

Definitely don't see why Shunsui would scale to Zaraki when characters with better dc like Urahara and Shinigami Aizen are still sitting at city level

Naw. The good speed feats are Ichibeis and the Cube feat which was the 5600 one. Shunsui scales to the latter.

Rave
03-11-2017, 02:47 PM
Mimihagi is the one with the mach 1K calc I was referring to. And Yhwach has a mach 5K feat:
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/bleach-the-blood-war-detergent-parable-part-four.31139/

What's the cube thing?

Albion
03-11-2017, 02:49 PM
Urahara fought Chrysalis Aizen who has much better stats than Lille and Aizen is undeniably better than Shunsui at everything besides hax
Urahara never injured Chrysalis Aizen though. :catthink

Y
03-11-2017, 02:52 PM
Mimihagi is the one with the mach 1K calc I was referring to. And Yhwach has a mach 5K feat:
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/bleach-the-blood-war-detergent-parable-part-four.31139/

What's the cube thing?

Yukios Box. Just checked and the blog died, though.

R
03-11-2017, 03:00 PM
if shunsui scales to ichibei/cube there is little which would prevent him from scaling to an inferior shikai kenpachi


Naw. The good speed feats are Ichibeis and the Cube feat which was the 5600 one. Shunsui scales to the latter.

Y
03-11-2017, 03:01 PM
if shunsui scales to ichibei/cube there is little which would prevent him from scaling to an inferior shikai kenpachi

I don't think he scales to Ichibei, the cube is way lower in the hierarchy though.

Well Shunsui is the captain commander, Byakuya, Hitsugaya etc are above that Shikai Kennys tier, guess it's fair for Shunsui in Bankai to scale to Kenpachi in Shikai.

Rave
03-11-2017, 03:04 PM
Yukios Box. Just checked and the blog died, though.
Yukio's box is many times faster than Captain level speedsters? That's pretty wild :maybe

Never heard of the calc since it's not accepted in the obd and i've never been a member of vswiki or anyother sites that do calcs. Doesn't surprise me though considering lolkubo

Back to the Zaraki scaling...there's literally nothing that suggests Shunsui's dc is on par with Zaraki's. Take away Shunsui's hax and Zaraki wins against him every time

Y
03-11-2017, 03:05 PM
Yukio's box is many times faster than Captain level speedsters? That's pretty wild :maybe

Never heard of the calc since it's not accepted in the obd and i've never been a member of vswiki or anyother sites that do calcs. Doesn't surprise me though considering lolkubo

Back to the Zaraki scaling...there's literally nothing that suggests Shunsui's dc is on par with Zaraki's. Take away Shunsui's hax and Zaraki wins against him every time

Not the first time this happened :kanyeshrug

I'll see if I can find an archive or something.

Rave
03-11-2017, 03:19 PM
It happens, Nardo lost like over half it's calcs when Flutter deleted his blog.

Most people treat Shunsui's Bankai as something that ignores durability. Which frankly is much better than scaling to island level

Albion
03-11-2017, 03:21 PM
So Island Level Bankai Shunsui? :hmm

Guess I'm fine with that.

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It happens, Nardo lost like over half it's calcs when Flutter deleted his blog.

Most people treat Shunsui's Bankai as something that ignores durability. Which frankly is much better than scaling to island level
Hm the first 2 Acts sure but the Final Act should probably get a certain yield in my opinion. :catthink

Rave
03-11-2017, 03:29 PM
Obd and vs wiki both treat it as durability bypassing like I thought. Guess you could say it's regular dc though. Would still disagree with it scaling to island level just cause Shunsui is CC.

Ukitake is the straight forward fighter while Shunsui relies on hax, Ukitake would be the one to scale to Zaraki imo

Zentos
03-11-2017, 03:31 PM
It's a shame we never got to see any action from Ukitake. Man, fuck whoever pushed Kubo. Bleach could've been GOAT. :ray

Rave
03-11-2017, 03:37 PM
Ukitake got shafted hard, I remember Kubo saying he regretted not giving him a volume cover.

Dude's Bankai could've been pretty op. Take it a step further than his Shikai and have it absorb people's Reiatsu then use it to fire energy blasts

Albion
03-11-2017, 03:45 PM
Obd and vs wiki both treat it as durability bypassing like I thought. Guess you could say it's regular dc though. Would still disagree with it scaling to island level just cause Shunsui is CC.

Ukitake is the straight forward fighter while Shunsui relies on hax, Ukitake would be the one to scale to Zaraki imo
If Ukitake gets the scaling then Shunsui would get it too. They've been portrayed to be nigh equals to each other, wouldn't really matter if one focused on hax and the other didn't here.

About the scaling I'm just waiting to see what the general consensus is.

Zentos
03-11-2017, 03:49 PM
I'm obviously fine with it since I proposed it.

Also, does this change anything for Zaraki?


Multipliers are fine to use when they're a linear and direct increase. Powerlevel scaling such as dbz wouldn't work.

The Bankai multiplier is fair to use when the Bankai is nothing but a brute power increase such as Ichigos and Kenpachis, others which include hax have other implications and thus don't scale with it.

Zaraki can get the 10 times multiplier as far as I'm concerned.

Rave
03-11-2017, 03:54 PM
Ukitake has more Reiatsu than Zaraki and Shunsui. That's why I'd say he scales to Zaraki

Juan
03-11-2017, 04:06 PM
if shunsui scales to ichibei/cube there is little which would prevent him from scaling to an inferior shikai kenpachi

Wait a minute.

You're banned from NF. :lmao

What happened?

Albion
03-11-2017, 04:16 PM
Ukitake has more Reiatsu than Zaraki and Shunsui. That's why I'd say he scales to Zaraki
Was there something stating this? :hmm

Egress
03-11-2017, 04:17 PM
Ukitake has more Reiatsu than Zaraki and Shunsui. That's why I'd say he scales to Zaraki
Well too bad he uses the bulk of it to sustain his health. Although, it is okay to say that his Shikai can absorb up to island-level energy attacks.


Final Dan Thread Cutting Shears- Bloodstained Windpipe- Shunsui gathers multiple threads around his opponent's throat which he then pulls slicing the person's throat which starts to expand and thenexplodes, which results in blowing up the opponent's head.

That was probably on Lille's part! Nothing to do with Final Dan!

Genbu
03-11-2017, 05:24 PM
Zaraki's Bankai isn't a boost to his physical strength alone

his durability at the very least increases as well and more than likely so does his agility/reflexes.