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Bob
11-05-2015, 09:16 PM
Well I'll try not to use pixel scaling ( not that I've ever used it...)

First we need the size of seireitei ( fk the spelling):
Ofc most of you know the 10 day statement, so I will assume something like their speed, walking time and path.
Speed - 4.51 km/h = 4510 m/h (http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Walking.html)
Walking time - 6 hours => Total walking time 60 hours
Path around the circumference

Walking distance in 10 days: 270,600 m ~ 271 km

I believe this was 1/4 of the circumference (may not be, I'm not really familiar with old bleach) so total circumference = 1084 km => Diameter = 345 km

Now I tried to max-low ball it, since obviously I believe we've seen ichigo and co are capable of running (?) for 3 days straight without rest, so the actual distance would be larger.

Now for the meteor part, here we see a comparison:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60745645/Calcs/Scalings/16.png

Now from eye-balling the diameter of the meteor appears to be at least a 1/5 ( more likely a 1/4, but meh)
so diameter of meteor = 69 km

Now for the math:

Assuming spherical shape for the meteor => Volume = (4/3)(PI)r^3 = 1.72 x 10^14 m^3

To get mass we assume that the meteor is made of stone, which has a density of 2700 kg/m^3 =>
using density = mass/volume => mass = 4.64 x 10^17 kg

We can see the meteor is ablated, which means it's speed would be between 2 km/s to 4 km/s
=> Using 2 km/s and Kinetic energy formula = 9.3 x 10^23 J = 221997446199808.8 Tons of tnt = 2.2 x 10^14 Tons of tnt = 220 teratons of tnt which is country level.


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Assuming 100 km diameter for seireitei, meteor diameter = 20 km
Mass = 1.13*10^16

KE (1/4 size) = 10.6 Teratons of TNT

Kane
11-05-2015, 09:21 PM
I don't understand why that white haze is seireitei

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In fact its nowhere near the Size of Seireitei.

http://i999.mangapanda.com/bleach/577/bleach-4907051.jpg

Bob
11-05-2015, 09:22 PM
I don't understand why that white haze is seireitei

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In fact its nowhere near the Size of Seireitei.

http://i999.mangapanda.com/bleach/577/bleach-4907051.jpg

Thats the size of the dome around serietei, the mid point of that is the diameter of seireitei

Kane
11-05-2015, 09:23 PM
Thats the size of the dome around serietei, the mid point of that is the diameter of seireitei
What? We see a scan of Kenny right next to the meteor, why shouldn't we use that?

Bob
11-05-2015, 09:24 PM
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/2/29816/749128-seiretei.png

Perhaps this makes it clearer.

The part u are suggesting is not really accurate since we don't know how close ken is.

Kane
11-05-2015, 09:26 PM
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/2/29816/749128-seiretei.png

Perhaps this makes it clearer.

The part u are suggesting is not really accurate since we don't know how close ken is.oh alright then, makes sense.

Bob
11-05-2015, 09:27 PM
oh alright then, makes sense.

My bad, should've made it clearer in the calc.

Dellinger
11-05-2015, 09:29 PM
The 10 days shit has been disproved multiple times.

Rax
11-05-2015, 10:20 PM
You can get a size of the Seireitei just going off the big hill in the middle.

It's gonna be like 30km or some ass.

Kane
11-05-2015, 10:33 PM
The 10 days shit has been disproved multiple times.
Where?

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No, statements > eyeballing

Bob
11-05-2015, 10:35 PM
Just wanted to say even with pixel scaling it can come out as ~ small country level

Dellinger
11-05-2015, 10:37 PM
Where?

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No, statements > eyeballing

If eyeballing disproves a statement you go by that.Or else Kizaru is lightspeed.

Kane
11-05-2015, 10:38 PM
If eyeballing disproves a statement you go by that.Or else Kizaru is lightspeed.
No you don't, statements are the closest thing we have to what the author is trying to convey.

Yes Kizaru is LS when he becomes light but he can't fight as light.

Rax
11-05-2015, 10:44 PM
Wasn't it shown in a full scan the width of the city with the outer wall was like 20m high? :maybe

Regardless use scans to get Hokyou hill then compare it to the full city scans

Kane
11-05-2015, 10:46 PM
We are not using scans over statements. Might as well try to eyeball the AIR Fruit from Toriko and then multiply the volume found by the density of an apple to get its weight over using its stated weight.

Rax
11-05-2015, 10:48 PM
We've seen straight entire view scans of the city

It's not even close to 270km

Kane
11-05-2015, 10:49 PM
We're not using scans over actual statements, especially cause we know Kubo can't scale for shit.

Rax
11-05-2015, 10:51 PM
There are only a couple thousand soul reapers


Why would it be an entire state?

Bob
11-05-2015, 10:51 PM
I believe there were some shots of mountains (or what appeared to be) in serietei

Rax
11-05-2015, 11:03 PM
I recall just the hill in the middle

Epicnessbeyond
11-05-2015, 11:05 PM
Does this mean my boy Kenpachi went from Small Country to Country

Rax
11-05-2015, 11:09 PM
No, as this calc is not legit.

Epicnessbeyond
11-05-2015, 11:13 PM
No, as this calc is not legit.
Looks fine to me. Seeing no problem with it. Point something out that could be wrong.

Rax
11-05-2015, 11:15 PM
Can't wait to calc this in a bit and get me a country level Jellal :smug

R
11-05-2015, 11:26 PM
you do realize rax. if we put gremmys meteor into the stardestroyer you proudly use for an 800 diameter mountain it will come out at country-continent level?

Rax
11-05-2015, 11:42 PM
No, Cratering energy gives 44.4 Gigatons

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Asteroids.html

But as far as I know it doesn't account for speed.

Just use a meteor impact calculator

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Wait, so statements > Panels so says Baldy?

Country level and FTL FT then :sanji


No, use scans, Baldy

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/127692/4570199-soul-societies-wall-changes.png

You'll get a few dozen kilometers at best.

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It came out at 44.4 Gigatons

The difference with that and evaporating an Ice Mountain is the meteor is just hitting and that's it

Evaporating it would input an entirely extra set of multiplication to get the result.

Kane
11-05-2015, 11:50 PM
okay you realize statements would also make Kuma LS :giogio

Stop it, we know for a fact that this statement is mroe reliable than Kubo's art which is shown to be consistently not to scale.

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We also are fine with using statements for Toriko planet size, toriko fruit weight, etc

Rax
11-05-2015, 11:52 PM
Kuma isn't LS.

So no.

So then Acnologia is multi-country level?

Okay

Kane
11-06-2015, 12:07 AM
he is by statements bud

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Regardless calc looks good

Ichiryuu
11-06-2015, 12:21 AM
10 days statement makes seireitei small country when extremely lowballing.

Rax
11-06-2015, 12:22 AM
So Multi-country level Acnologia

Cool :zaru

black star
11-06-2015, 12:23 AM
Just wanted to say even with pixel scaling it can come out as ~ small country level

We have full scan of sereite and it don't even make city size, we accept it to be island size for just fucks sake.

Kane
11-06-2015, 12:35 AM
we already resolved this in the poll and used the statement as the basis

black star
11-06-2015, 12:48 AM
Its alreeady been accepted that Seireite is island size not country size.

Ichiryuu
11-06-2015, 12:58 AM
Things that are accepted can be brought up in discussion again and we can reach another consensus, nothing is permanently set in stone or anything. Just what is accepted will be used and what's not accepted will not be as reliable untill pretty much accepted.

Also we have characters using shunpo for a long time in the series and still being in the seireitei if it really were city sized you'd think they'd be out of the seireitei with a few shunpo's.

Rax
11-06-2015, 01:21 AM
Just use the fucking mountain in the center

black star
11-06-2015, 02:31 AM
Things that are accepted can be brought up in discussion again and we can reach another consensus, nothing is permanently set in stone or anything. Just what is accepted will be used and what's not accepted will not be as reliable untill pretty much accepted.

Also we have characters using shunpo for a long time in the series and still being in the seireitei if it really were city sized you'd think they'd be out of the seireitei with a few shunpo's.

So seriete is increasing in size? no. unless they show something that hasn't been shown yet its not gonna change.

Ichiryuu
11-06-2015, 02:33 AM
So seriete is increasing in size? no. unless they show something that hasn't been shown yet its not gonna change.

Everything can be changed if a solid argument is presented, we don't need "new" evidence just to be able to change something.

Mercantilist
11-06-2015, 02:40 AM
So Multi-country level Acnologia

Cool :zaru

And FTL preskip Zoro.





And continental level Sai.

And large planet level Whitebeard.

And universal level Madara.

Bob
11-06-2015, 06:44 AM
Just wanted to add this for all who r obsesses with pixel scaling:
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Bleach-_Gremmy%27s_Meteor_%2C_Revised_Edition

Y
11-06-2015, 07:20 AM
So... can I bump Aizen to country?

Numinous One
11-06-2015, 07:24 AM
Yeah, you really shouldn't take statements at face value if you have multiple visuals that contradict it.

For several reasons that have been mentioned.

W
11-06-2015, 08:31 AM
So Multi-country level Acnologia

Cool :zaru
This is why nobody is going to take you seriously

Spade
11-06-2015, 10:06 AM
This is all assuming that the meteor would've really destroyed Seiretei...

Rax
11-06-2015, 10:11 AM
This is why nobody is going to take you seriously

Why? Its straight said in his lore he destroyed multiple countries by himself :geg

Skydragon
11-06-2015, 10:13 AM
Why? Its straight said in his lore he destroyed multiple countries by himself :geg

probably not in one attack though

black star
11-06-2015, 10:17 AM
why powerscaling is allowed but not for Naruto or other mangas? this is a serious biased stuff.

Rax
11-06-2015, 10:17 AM
>statements are above shown facts now apparently


:rax

black star
11-06-2015, 10:21 AM
Somehow every shown feats in Bleach are highballed with scaling and bullshit statements, but powerscaling is not accepted for any other series. WOw just wow


*sarcarstic*

W
11-06-2015, 10:27 AM
This is what happens when two salty niggas are in one thread.

Rax
11-06-2015, 10:33 AM
But you're one dude :hmm

W
11-06-2015, 10:36 AM
Talking about you and Saltstar. But you already knew that.

Rax
11-06-2015, 10:40 AM
>you're constantly pissy

Lel

W
11-06-2015, 10:42 AM
Neg repping me only makes you look saltier

Rax
11-06-2015, 10:44 AM
I negged you for being annoying :33

Albion
11-06-2015, 10:55 AM
Honestly the Bleach calcs are low balled so much. Yet people still complain about them.

Rax
11-06-2015, 11:05 AM
Not really

We have scans that show the SS isn't country sized

black star
11-06-2015, 11:15 AM
w is being pissy for way too long

Y
11-06-2015, 12:11 PM
Honestly the Bleach calcs are low balled so much. Yet people still complain about them.

and people get called tards and wankers for saying the look solid.

Just.. what has this place become.

W
11-06-2015, 12:12 PM
Saltstar and the Salty Hero are mad that Bleach are stronger then Naruto and FT now.

Kane
11-06-2015, 12:15 PM
Saltstar and the Salty Hero are mad that Bleach are stronger then Naruto and FT now.
You realize that the sub relativistic calc has been tossed out?

Albion
11-06-2015, 12:38 PM
and people get called tards and wankers for saying the look solid.

Just.. what has this place become.
Yeah and the ppl who disagree with it, don't even try to reason they just want to downplay it for some reason.

black star
11-06-2015, 12:45 PM
Answer is simple, sereite was island size by ignoring scans at best, meteor was gonna destroy it(which we don't know will it?). So island level at best meteor. This disscussion is prolong only due to bleactard who is trying to stretch sereite to country size to make the meteor country level not by others. @Albion (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=7398); don't do false excuse.

Albion
11-06-2015, 12:59 PM
Answer is simple, sereite was island size by ignoring scans at best, meteor was gonna destroy it(which we don't know will it?). So island level at best meteor. This disscussion is prolong only due to bleactard who is trying to stretch sereite to country size to make the meteor country level not by others. @Albion (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=7398); don't do false excuse.
It's not a false excuse. I mean there was 1 feat that took a few seconds at most. But to lowball, the person who made the calc use 1 minute and people still complained. Especially with the size of Seireitei, if the author is known to be inconsistent with the art, don't rely on the art, the statement would have more basis.

black star
11-06-2015, 01:14 PM
It's not a false excuse. I mean there was 1 feat that took a few seconds at most. But to lowball, the person who made the calc use 1 minute and people still complained. Especially with the size of Seireitei, if the author is known to be inconsistent with the art, don't rely on the art, the statement would have more basis.

thats the problem, and its the main argument for most of the people tthat support bleach use to downplay other series. its their own fault not others, so thats a false excuse. I have given my reason, if they claim otherwise, its their duty to prove the way every other series are being treated. Bleach will get special treatment coz :kanyeshrug

Albion
11-06-2015, 01:27 PM
thats the problem, and its the main argument for most of the people tthat support bleach use to downplay other series. its their own fault not others, so thats a false excuse. I have given my reason, if they claim otherwise, its their duty to prove the way every other series are being treated. Bleach will get special treatment coz :kanyeshrug
No one that supports Bleach downplays another series, I know Y supports it and he is doing calcs for Ft. But anyway this is just a matter of opinion, don't really want to talk about it.

black star
11-07-2015, 02:30 AM
No one that supports Bleach downplays another series, I know Y supports it and he is doing calcs for Ft. But anyway this is just a matter of opinion, don't really want to talk about it.

YOu must have not been here for long I suspect if you say that. Let me point out why Bleach fan base is the worst biased fanbase ever here and in any other site.

1. They will bring argument like chara lightning or magical lightning for any other manga to downplay their feats but they will hapily accept lightning feat for Bleach. They forget reiatsu.
2. They are arguing for Gremmys meteor now, if the same thing was done by any other manga they will shamelessly bring out, it was created in magical way and was on fire the moment it was summoned so no speed feat :psyduck
They also will comment it was under atmosphere to downgrade it but they will forget this all logic just for Bleach.

3. U are supporting Y who shamelssly was arguing against Madara's CT as they were fucking small, he ignore that even a single piece of that was dwarfing whole mountain range. And you call him fair :psyduck

And he also disregard the speed of CT's and they were on fire. SO much for fairness

And there are many more, I think you just miss all.

If you check my early threads, I was one that were supporting bleach, but their fan base is double standard as hell. All I am doing is using their own medicine against them, it seems they don't like it.

Kane
11-07-2015, 04:40 AM
YOu must have not been here for long I suspect if you say that. Let me point out why Bleach fan base is the worst biased fanbase ever here and in any other site.

1. They will bring argument like chara lightning or magical lightning for any other manga to downplay their feats but they will hapily accept lightning feat for Bleach. They forget reiatsu.
2. They are arguing for Gremmys meteor now, if the same thing was done by any other manga they will shamelessly bring out, it was created in magical way and was on fire the moment it was summoned so no speed feat :psyduck
They also will comment it was under atmosphere to downgrade it but they will forget this all logic just for Bleach.

3. U are supporting Y who shamelssly was arguing against Madara's CT as they were fucking small, he ignore that even a single piece of that was dwarfing whole mountain range. And you call him fair :psyduck

And he also disregard the speed of CT's and they were on fire. SO much for fairness

And there are many more, I think you just miss all.

If you check my early threads, I was one that were supporting bleach, but their fan base is double standard as hell. All I am doing is using their own medicine against them, it seems they don't like it.
when did he do this?

black star
11-07-2015, 07:17 AM
when did he do this?

Just read the argument against Madara's CT you will come across. I have seen him doing it and decided to ignore it. Are you trying to say you have never come across such comment ever?

Bob
11-07-2015, 07:34 AM
Oh god not the magical flames argument...

Y
11-07-2015, 11:37 AM
when did he do this?

Now, that's a good question.

Bob
11-07-2015, 11:39 PM
Y;

I've used the same distance in the yhwach calc, still country level