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Bob
11-04-2015, 06:38 PM
I was just casually wading through the shit that is current UBD, and started to see some mach 8k and 17k here and there, so inspired by this (as you can see I'm bored...) I decided to "redo" mimihagi calc (copy&paste incoming):


http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=31083 (http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=31083)
as you can see pretty much most of the stuff is done here, instead of free fall speed I will be using bullet speed since we see soi-fon catching like 12 of them casually (somehow o.o) http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/549/13
and we see current ichigo reacting to and intercepting lightning casually
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/583/16 (page 16 to 18)

Speed I will be using: 1066.8 m/s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_velocity

So we have speed and time, therefore the distance is 506,303,280 m

Somehow a magical hand crosses this distance in literally a page
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/617/4 ---> http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/617/5
and reaches the top of the palace where ichigo and co were fighting yhwach, who happened to be in a trap
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/615/15
, so the time frame is hardly going to be above a minute, since I can't picture yhwach just standing there any longer (and also we see him leave the trap as if its not even there)

Using 1 min : mach 24,819
Using 30 sec: mach 49,638

so to conclude, :jirou

Y
11-04-2015, 06:39 PM
My nigga Yhwach just hit sub-relativistic.

Well honestly he shouldve ages ago but whatever.

No calc stacking/pixel scaling or anything of the sort involved. Looks good. I'm down.

WILD
11-04-2015, 06:41 PM
I'll just go with Mach 25,000 personally

Y
11-04-2015, 06:52 PM
Time to update Aizens and Yhwachs profile :hhh

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Well actually, does this also apply to Dangai Ichigo and Monster Aizen since they're transcendend and Yhwach just recently broke past that?

Bob
11-04-2015, 06:54 PM
Time to update Aizens and Yhwachs profile :hhh

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Well actually, does this also apply to Dangai Ichigo and Monster Aizen since they're transcendend and Yhwach just recently broke past that?

Hmm, ichigo will get it soon since well he will be fighting yhwach ( or maybe he already does from his earlier fight) and not sure on aizen

Y
11-04-2015, 06:55 PM
Hmm, ichigo will get it soon since well he will be fighting yhwach ( or maybe he already does from his earlier fight) and not sure on aizen

Current Aizen is > Hog Aizen who was transcended.

I think Yhwach just broke that barrier with Mimis absorption, considering he reacted to this before he caught him might as well apply it to Aizen and Ichigo.

Y
11-04-2015, 09:36 PM
TheBaldHeadedNegro; Rax, The Last Hero;

You can't deny the Yhwach greatness anymore :hhh

Kane
11-04-2015, 09:41 PM
I thought we couldn't use superhuman stats to scale off of the guys?

E.g. if G4 L uffy crosses the distance crosses the distance it took Zoro took to cross a 100 times faster we can't make him sub relativistic.

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:41 PM
There's literally no implications of a time frame though.

And even it was it's purely travel speed.

Kane
11-04-2015, 09:42 PM
Nah, travel speed is treated the same as combat speed.

Y
11-04-2015, 09:43 PM
I thought we couldn't use superhuman stats to scale off of the guys?

E.g. if G4 L uffy crosses the distance crosses the distance it took Zoro took to cross a 100 times faster we can't make him sub relativistic.

That would be character to character scaling which this calc isn't doing. Also your example is not giving a higher feat but is scaling a feat to another feat to get a higher result.

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Calc is fine by all standards set to date.

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:43 PM
No it isn't :psyduck

Y
11-04-2015, 09:44 PM
No it isn't :psyduck

Yhwach reacted to that speed. So yeah. That time frame is completely valid, it was literally 1 panel. In the very next Urahara said that the quaking stopped.

Using 1 minute is a serious lowball.

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:46 PM
He didn't react to it :geg

And no, there was zero indications of time in the slightest.

Use like 5 minutes and I'm perfectly okay with the feat.

Bob
11-04-2015, 09:47 PM
Just wanted to say the hand hasn't really shown combat capabilities, and in both instances of it travelling it was just in a straight line, first it traveled towards the palace, then it did the same to yhwach but he reacted to it. We also have yhwach outright saying the hand was inferior to him and then he absorbed it, he also absorbed the SK's main body, so he should be pretty much in a separate tier to mimihagi.

Also yhwach was fightning ichigo and co before the hand went up, and he got caught in a trap as well, I doubt he would just stand there for 1 minute.

Y
11-04-2015, 09:48 PM
Yhwach caught Mimihagi while it was charging at him, so it's easily applicable.

5 minutes? No way those 2 pages are 5 minutes. 1 minute is already a lowball.

Albion
11-04-2015, 09:48 PM
In all honesty that feat should have taken only a few seconds but people don't like it like that.

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:49 PM
But there's absolutely ZERO indication of a time frame

No one was talking or running somewhere, or anything of the such in the feat to get a time frame.

5 minutes and I'm on board.

Y
11-04-2015, 09:50 PM
Rax, I can use the same argument you used for the Igneel stuff, Yhwach was standing in the exact same place. We didn't even have any argument between those pages, it happened all instantly in the very next one.

Bob
11-04-2015, 09:52 PM
bruh I just told you yhwach was fighting ichigo and co before the hand went up
He was just, well I guess "ambushed" by yourichi's trap, then we see the hand go up
You really think everyone would stop for 5 minutes? 1 minute in itself is a massive downplay

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read the calc first plz, I gave a reason for using 1min

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:53 PM
No, because the difference with the Igneel feat is Igneel said the span of 5 seconds of dialogue in the spam of the feat and it kept frame on him and co

Meanwhile it just showed Mimihagi go up, black scene, Ywach is like WTF? then it shows it's there.

I wouldn't care otherwise but it shows nothing.

Also it's purely travel speed

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I'm suggesting 5 minutes as no one can possibly deny it as so.

Bob
11-04-2015, 09:53 PM
only u are denying it, the rest r saying it could actually be in mere seconds

Y
11-04-2015, 09:53 PM
None of that implies a timeframe higher than a couple seconds. Soul Society was crumbling and that stopped instantly, way more damage wouldve been dealt if it was even a minute. All logic says its < 1 minute but we're going with that.

Yhwach still A: Reacted to Mimihagi and B: Straight up says it's infernior to him.

Anyway, overwhelming consensus for the < 1 minute side.

Sub-Relativistic Yhwach: Up in this bitch.

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:55 PM
And there's nothing to get a time frame even in the slightest or anything to work with other than saying it was in the SS then the RP and that's it.

And no, Ywach didn't react to it at all.

Bob
11-04-2015, 09:57 PM
wow

Y
11-04-2015, 09:58 PM
Sure he did.

Timeframe of 1 minute is accepted regardless by now.

http://i2.mangapanda.com/bleach/620/bleach-5554495.jpg
http://i6.mangapanda.com/bleach/620/bleach-5554497.jpg

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:01 PM
Are you implying his speed is constant compared to bursting out of sick captain dude?

And no, 1m is not.

There's absolutely nothing to compare in order to get a damn time frame at all.

Y
11-04-2015, 10:02 PM
It's charging at his arch nemesis, it was probably even faster.

You mean aside from Yhwach fighting Ichigo & co and not moving an inch, and Soul Society crumbling away and that stopping in 2 panels?

C'mon now.

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:04 PM
I doubt it. The travel upwards had an entirely different set up that could have affected its speed when coming out of the dude.

The Soul reapers were all just doing nothing in the first place.

Again, there's nothing to work with a time frame.

3 minutes a fair compromise then? :psyduck

Y
11-04-2015, 10:06 PM
So you wanna throw all speed and reaction scaling out of the window? :zaru It doesn't make any sense for it to not go at full speed.

They were fighting Yhwach and just used a technique on him, which he showed later he can break it with no sweat at all.

No, that's not a fair compromise at all when the actual timeframe is probably something like 3 seconds.

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:07 PM
:giogio

There's no time frame to work with.

I'm will to lower my say down to 3 minutes and that's it :psyduck

Y
11-04-2015, 10:08 PM
Okay, moving on.

Albion
11-04-2015, 10:09 PM
Funny how this feat took less panels than the Dragons' feat yet it is a slower feat. :lmao

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:10 PM
plz read the context first.

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Funny how this feat took less panels than the Dragons' feat yet it is a slower feat. :lmao
He just wants to inc the time so his dragons r faster

Y
11-04-2015, 10:10 PM
Funny how this feat took less panels than the Dragons' feat yet it is a slower feat. :lmao

It's accepted by everyone but Rax to be sub rela. So theres that. No reason to argue any further really.

/out

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:10 PM
Funny how this feat took less panels than the Dragons' feat yet it is a slower feat. :lmao

THe issues is there isn't anything to work with in comparison.

Might as well let me use a small as fuck timeframe for the CSK's MeteoBlade since it went hundreds of miles in a single panel.

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:12 PM
So rax thinks yhwach was just standing there in that trap for 3 minutes, whilst everyone else was making tea.

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:12 PM
I might as well calc up Gildarts reacting to lasers :hurr

Huo Yuhao
11-04-2015, 10:12 PM
THe issues is there isn't anything to work with in comparison.

Might as well let me use a small as fuck timeframe for the CSK's MeteoBlade since it went hundreds of miles in a single panel.
Do it!:rax

Y
11-04-2015, 10:13 PM
So rax thinks yhwach was just standing there in that trap for 3 minutes, whilst everyone else was making tea.

As I said you can move on. Calcs accepted and that's all there is to it.

Good job btw.

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Do it!:rax

He can do it, we saw it travel for 20km max, even if that took like 1 splitsecond it would still come out at like Mach 2 which can't even be applied to any character

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:14 PM
I might as well go change the Time frame of the dragons feat to 5 seconds since Igneel said 5 seconds of Dialogue in the time frame of the feat :sanji

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:15 PM
u might as well, but it won't be accepted

Albion
11-04-2015, 10:15 PM
plz read the context first.

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He just wants to inc the time so his dragons r faster


It's accepted by everyone but Rax to be sub rela. So theres that. No reason to argue any further really.

/out
Yeah better to just leave then or make a poll.

Y
11-04-2015, 10:15 PM
You're not making any sense Rax.

We went over the point why the Dragon feat is 20 secs at least.

This beeing 1 minute is still an absolutely ridiculous lowball.

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u might as well, but it won't be accepted

Also that.

Y
11-04-2015, 10:16 PM
Yeah better to just leave then or make a poll.

No need for a poll in this case. I might as well get this thread locked.
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Rax
11-04-2015, 10:24 PM
Then Ima go back to switch the feat to 20s and not 30 :datass

Y
11-04-2015, 10:25 PM
Knock yourself out man.