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Rax
11-03-2015, 07:51 PM
Alright, as I've shown and proved, Fiore is 2000km from N to S at the very least

http://www.millenniumforums.com/showthread.php?33560-Size-of-Fiore

So assuming all the Face dots here are clusters

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/412/22.png

We know that within a cluster there's at the most shown is 10 and the least we've seen in an area is 1


Using 5 per cluster dot as a medium

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/387/18-19.png


The median distance between Clusters is 630km. There are around 3k Face Bombs
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/389/05.png


20s, 10s, and 5s


So 600* 630 *1000/4/20/340 = 94500000m Each
Using a 30s time frame as decided upon

Igneel was perched on top of Acnologia with the same position and expression from start to finish of said feat

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/412/16.png
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/412/26.png
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/413/03.png

Acnologia was also weakened by Face the entire time. Igneel waited hundreds of years to kill Acnologia. Him waiting anymore than a couple of seconds standing there and not going for the kill is silly.

Anyways

Mach 13897

Mach 27794

And Mach 55588

Kane
11-03-2015, 08:07 PM
The smallest distance is 66 km

R
11-03-2015, 08:08 PM
Where is it stated we have 3000 face bombs?

Rax
11-04-2015, 01:08 AM
And you're getting 66km from where exactly?

Also Mard says it. I linked the page

Black Leg Sanji
11-04-2015, 04:38 AM
How did you get the distance between the face bombs?

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Oh wait, nevermind i read the calc wrong.

Rax
11-04-2015, 04:41 AM
Actually , hang on


Almost every scan shows them as 1 face bomb in an area besides one that shows 10 and 1 that shows 7

Might use a 5 per cluster as a medium :hmm

Rax
11-04-2015, 05:00 AM
Went for a Medium of face bombs as most areas show only 1 and the most showed 10 in a single area

Used a 5 Faces per dot cluster as a Middle ground

R
11-04-2015, 07:59 AM
still waiting on how he got the number of 3000 face bombs

Rax
11-04-2015, 08:00 AM
I showed you! :argh

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/389/05.png

R
11-04-2015, 08:01 AM
why there is another statement regarding the same issue with 2000 :hmm

Skydragon
11-04-2015, 08:03 AM
Alright, as I've shown and proved, Fiore is 2000km from N to S at the very least

http://www.millenniumforums.com/showthread.php?33560-Size-of-Fiore

So assuming all the Face dots here are clusters

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/412/22.png

We know that within a cluster there's at the most shown is 10 and the least we've seen in an area is 1


Using 5 per cluster dot as a medium

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/387/18-19.png


The smallest distance between Clusters is 379.3km. There are around 3k Face Bombs
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/389/05.png



So 379.3*1000*600 /4 =28447500m for each Dragon distance

For the time frame I'll be using 10s as a high end and 20s as a low end as the fact:

Igneel was perched on top of Acnologia with the same position and expression from start to finish of said feat

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/412/16.png
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/412/26.png
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/413/03.png

Acnologia was also weakened by Face the entire time. Igneel waited hundreds of years to kill Acnologia. Him waiting anymore than a couple of seconds standing there and not going for the kill is silly.

Anyways

28447500/340/10 = Mach 16733.82
28447500/340/20 = Mach 8366.91


did you take into account all the dragons they could have all took one area and i don't think you can use that

Rax
11-04-2015, 08:04 AM
No, it was Mest saying so far they'd detected 2000 Face Bombs

Key Word is so far

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/387/20.png

R
11-04-2015, 08:07 AM
so the dragons have a travel speed to which no one can be scaled now?

Rax
11-04-2015, 08:09 AM
The dragons can be scaled to

E.N.D, Igneel, Acnologia, Zeref

And if anyone shows up later that's > Them

R
11-04-2015, 08:10 AM
zeref is < the dragons thats for sure

i scale the travel feat for high end dragons like the 4, igneel, acno

end ofc

Rax
11-04-2015, 08:15 AM
No, he's not.

Zeref is far stronger than the Dragons aside from Igneel.


Did you not see that Zeref and Acnologia aren't far apart? :geg



And it's a travel, combat, and reaction speed.

They'd need the speed to figure out where the fuck they were going, go there, and attack when need be.

R
11-04-2015, 08:24 AM
no its not as i explained already


the faces are motionless standing around. no one has to react to anything. the dragons fly a) right through them and b) drop random roars at them

we already saw the faces are massively bigger in size than the dragons. on top its mostly a straight line

no matter how fast you can run and throw grenades at appareaing houses on the stret, you still cant evade even one single kick from bruce lee

Rax
11-04-2015, 08:26 AM
Yes, yes it is. Zeref and Acnologia are currently contesting for God tier and FV.

They're both obviously > The 4 dragons

They are conceiving their own speed. Again, if your speed was >>>>>> Your reaction speed you wouldn't be able to control where you were going or even see what was going

If your combat speed was <<<<<<<<<<<<< Travel speed you would in no way be able to fight whilst moving.

The face bombs being motionless are meaningless since the dragons were finding them, not like they were lined up to go right there before hand. They also aren't reacting to the face bombs. They're reacting to their own speed.

>Mostly a straight line

No, they weren't :geg

Your attempt at an example is shit poor.

R
11-04-2015, 08:30 AM
arent you the one always claiming no one bar dragon slayer magic cant touch a dragon? :hmm obviously zeref can do it too :zaru

my example is plain, simple and easy to understand

or do you tell me usian bolt packs more punches than jacky chan because he runs the 100 meters faster then him :o

Rax
11-04-2015, 08:32 AM
And we aren't talking about damage, we're talking about speed.

Plus there's evidence that points to Zeref knowing DS Magic, but that's irrelevant.

R
11-04-2015, 08:33 AM
so you actually think usain bold hits more often a minute than jacky chan because he runs faster? :hmm

feels iffy, doesnt it?

Rax
11-04-2015, 08:35 AM
>Tries using a retarded comparison to validate it

They would need combat and reaction speeds to handle themselves whilst moving

This is a normal thing in verse.

You fucking tried to say Galan's combat and reaction speed were the same as his jumping speed, which is travel speed :geg

R
11-04-2015, 08:42 AM
wrong. galan actually has to react to something. merlins spell before it takes effect. which is something the dragons did not have to

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the fact you call my example retarted though its easily comprehendable shows you slowly understand the difference

you can run as fast as you want. if you can not react to something approaching you at that speed its not a combat feat

and the dragons never showed the ability to be able to do that

hell, rouges dragons got tagged by the entire magic guilds. why havent they avoided it?

Rax
11-04-2015, 08:44 AM
He reacted to Merlin's spell, which would only say his reactions are > Merlin's attack speed.

The dragons were reacting to their OWN travel speed. Meaning they're reaction and combat speed are the same. If they weren't they wouldn't have been able to control their flight path or even hit a Face bomb.

No, your example is moronic.

Rogue's dragon never fought the guild :sanji

R
11-04-2015, 08:47 AM
they fought the magic guilds in the capital :joy

the dragons performed a feat similar to a hurdling

thats not a combat speed

Rax
11-04-2015, 08:52 AM
Did you fucking read the manga?

How the fuck do these two look a like? :geg

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fairytail/images/5/5f/Skiadrum.png/revision/latest?cb=20141222180407



http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/328/328_14.png


Tell me how they would mange to attack anything moving at that speed if their combat and reaction speeds couldn't keep up?

You realize you're completely ignoring how speed feats work :geg

Skydragon
11-04-2015, 08:54 AM
im here to say somthign i dont think you can use that time fram

Numinous One
11-04-2015, 09:00 AM
they fought the magic guilds in the capital :joy

the dragons performed a feat similar to a hurdling

thats not a combat speed

It is a good way to gauge their reactions though, if you mistimed a hurdle, you're gonna trip and go tits up.

If they can accurately track and manoveour at those speeds then they clearly have the reactions to do so.

However thay doesn't mean they will be fighting at that speed.
When it comes to translating travel speeds to combat speeds the most important thing is the acceleration.

Traveling at your top speed doesn't mean you're able to apply that during a fight, if you can accelerate to those speeds quickly, then it can be applied to combat.

Speed and reactions aren't mutually exclusive, but neither do they always go hand in hand.

R
11-04-2015, 09:03 AM
It is a good way to gauge their reactions though, if you mistimed a hurdle, you're gonna trip and go tits up.

If they can accurately track and manoveour at those speeds then they clearly have the reactions to do so.

However thay doesn't mean they will be fighting at that speed.
When it comes to translating travel speeds to combat speeds the most important thing is the acceleration.

Traveling at your top speed doesn't mean you're able to apply that during a fight, if you can accelerate to those speeds quickly, then it can be applied to combat.

Speed and reactions aren't mutually exclusive, but neither do they alwaya go hand in hand.

from what i get rax tries to get the dragons accepted at mach 8-16k actual combat speed

heck, he even wrote that to my message wall

wtf

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:09 AM
Because the dragons showed to be able to react to such speed

There's also the fact your mental reactions in reality are >>>>>> Your travel speed.

As are your combat speeds IRL

So if you wanna use IRL shit as an example I will too.

Anyways the dragons showed to be able to preform whilst at such speed.

R
11-04-2015, 09:17 AM
show me them reacting to something approaching them at such speed

show me them avoiding an attack at such speed

show me them doing anything over than flying in a straight line through motionless structures

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:25 AM
It doesn't need to be moving at them. They were doing shit in their own speed.

YOu don't seem to understand how speed feats work.

>Igneel and Acnologia flying about, fighting, and reactions to each other

:zaru

R
11-04-2015, 09:27 AM
another thing you have not pointed out

igneel was actually waiting

he did not tried to kill acno. he was pinning him down

he waited. then the faces gets destroyed. then he still has a conversation with everyone. then acno breaks out

your assumed timeframe is not working. way too low

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:30 AM
He spent hundreds of years waiting to kill Acnologia

Face made Acnologia powerless

Why the living shit would Igneel stand perched in the same position and expression for more than a handful of seconds? :geg

R
11-04-2015, 09:32 AM
face made acno powerless but not igneel? :geg

its not about "why would he" its about "he actually did"

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:34 AM
Holy shit, are you serious?

Acnologia USED TO BE HUMAN, HE IS NOT A REAL DRAGON

Dragons run off a different type of magic than humans

It affected them the same as it did the Demons, not at all :geg

No, he didn't wait

Get the fuck out

R
11-04-2015, 09:36 AM
so acno was powerless meaning igneel had nothing to fear waiting

which he did and chat with his peeps

in a freaking new chapter

yeha

no way in hell is that below 2 minutes

Akira
11-04-2015, 09:36 AM
face made acno powerless but not igneel? :geg

its not about "why would he" its about "he actually did"
exactly, good point

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:37 AM
so acno was powerless meaning igneel had nothing to fear waiting

which he did and chat with his peeps

in a freaking new chapter

yeha

no way in hell is that below 2 minutes

>Meaning he'd have nothing to worry about
>Dragons were destroying the shit that made him powerless

You realize how shitty your argument is?

R
11-04-2015, 09:40 AM
its pretty reasonable. igneel overpowered acnologia, the faces get effective, acno and all the other people lose their power, the dragons rush out, the dragons start to destroy everything, the dragons have destroyed everything, the power is not yet returned, igneel is having a nice chat with everyone around, acno finally gets his power back, acno fights back

this is what has happened

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:42 AM
He didn't have a chat.

Go say everything Igneel said and time it. Tell me if it's even 20 seconds :lmao



Give me logic of why he'd completely discard the fact he'd been waiting hundreds of years to kill Acnologia so he can chit chat with the humans when he coulda killed Acnologia and did without the fact after Face was destroyed he'd be at full power again :rax

R
11-04-2015, 09:44 AM
the thing he said all that shit after the faces were destroyed already debunks your calc

:zaru

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:48 AM
So after the feat was preformed?

Got it.

R
11-04-2015, 09:55 AM
exactly. meaning he did not went for the kill as much as you point it out to be

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:56 AM
>Comparing that to him not moving from position at all throughout the feat


Lel

Y
11-04-2015, 09:57 AM
Thats irrelevant isnt it.

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:19 AM
Verbally say everything Igneel said.

It doesn't take a minute.

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So here are your options


1. We leave it as is

Or

2. We use a minute and I go get the median for the distances between the Face clusters and it likely comes out bigger

Choose :psyduck

R
11-04-2015, 10:22 AM
we use the 2 minute timeframe

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:24 AM
No, we don't.

R
11-04-2015, 10:40 AM
your suggestion?

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:43 AM
Just leave it.

It's fine.

I don't want it bigger or smaller. I'm content with the current results :psyduck

R
11-04-2015, 10:49 AM
just for the understanding: what is the current result in your views?

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:56 AM
Mach 8k low end to Mach 16k high end

R
11-04-2015, 10:59 AM
mach 400 low end

mach 600 high end

Rax
11-04-2015, 11:12 AM
No

Mach 400 and 600 was with a 333km Fiore

It was agreed that Fiore was at least 2000km from N to South

R
11-04-2015, 11:17 AM
and the timeframe is massively bigger which edges it out

W
11-04-2015, 11:18 AM
Will read over later

Y
11-04-2015, 11:19 AM
Where the fuck is 8k mach coming from.

Rax
11-04-2015, 11:19 AM
No, it isn't


Inside the time frame of the feat Igneel said a total of 5 seconds of dialogue

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Where the fuck is 8k mach coming from.

>Not looking at the calc


Lel

Y
11-04-2015, 11:38 AM
The average distance between faces has a huge error....

Just rolling with the 2000km

We have 22 dots shown assuming each dot is 5 faces equals 110 faces on Fiore. Which is bullshit but we can use this to get the distance.

379.3 km distance between the clusters. We divide that by 5 to get the new average = 75.86

23.000km for the size of ishgar. Using Fiore for the average of faces per 2000km that gives us 418 faces for the entirety of Ishgar. But we know it's 3000 faces.

So we get a new average with that.

418 faces = 75.86
3000 faces = 5.51 average km distance.

You're completely distegarding that the distance between faces has of course to be divided by the number on each dot which is 5.

You're also assuming Fiore has 110 faces while the rest of Ishgar has 2890 which doesnt work becausr the average would be bullshit in that case.

I'm sorry Rax but your calc is complete bullshit.

Btw I did all this on my phone. But what you did there was disgusting.

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Someone gas this shit thread

Rax
11-04-2015, 04:00 PM
Your method getting a range is bullshit entirely

110 on one of the smallest countries on the continent is BS?

No, it isn't

The method of distance would be number of faces


Number per cluster / number of faces * average distance between a cluster


You're adding an unnecessary step to the method

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Why would it be that many faces per country?

Bigger countries will Need more

Y
11-04-2015, 04:14 PM
actually let me go in depth later..

Rax
11-04-2015, 04:15 PM
You're acting like each country is gonna have the exact same number of Faces in the exact same positions

Y
11-04-2015, 04:21 PM
No I'm not, even if you chunk all those other 2000 faces together it wouldnt change the AVERAGE.

Do you know what that word means.

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Let me paint you an, in depth, picture.

We have, for purposes, 10 faces on Fiore. Fiore is 100m long, kay? The average distance between those is 100 meters.

Now we use Ishgar, which has ALL OF THE OTHER FACES We're gonna use 90 for that and it's 1000 meters long.

Now is the average between those faces still the same even though we have alot more? No. Because it doesnt make any logical sense.

What you're suggestion is that each of those faces, every. single. one. of those 3000 has an distance of 379km between each. Well guess what.

379km * 3000 = 1137000km total distance between the faces. If you would be so kind and explain how that makes sense on a 23000km continent, go ahead.

because it doesnt.

Let's go even further, let's highball and say each of those faces is 10m in width.

1137000000m / 10m = 113.700.000m

If you would, again be so kind and tell me how that finds space on a distance of 23.000.000m, go ahead.

Unless you wanna tell me every centimeter is made out of Faces stacked upon each other.

Rax
11-04-2015, 04:24 PM
It's 3k Faces as said by Mard.

No, I'm saying between each grouping of 5 there is so much distance

It's just number of dots there should be * Distance between them

You're adding in proportional shit to the countries like each one is going to have the same amount as Fiore instead of just going with dots and distance

Y
11-04-2015, 04:25 PM
You do fail at the most basic of math, huh.

Rax
11-04-2015, 04:30 PM
Average distance is 630km per cluster

SO

600 Clusters * 630 *1000 = 378000000m total distance / 4 = 94500000m for each Dragon /30 seconds / 340 for m/s for mach 1 speeds = Mach 9264.7

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You do fail at the most basic of math, huh.


You're trying to use shit like countries are gonna be proportionality the same

Y
11-04-2015, 04:32 PM
You still haven't understood my point and continue on using something that is completely flawed.

I'm out, I tried to pound it into your head for hours a few days ago, I'm stopping now.

Using it proportionally makes perfect sense, it doesnt even matter when I dont because the result will stay the same.

Bob
11-04-2015, 04:33 PM
havn't we already establish mhs dragons?...

Y
11-04-2015, 04:34 PM
havn't we already establish mhs dragons?...

Rax is pushing for High MHS+ dragons, with something is simply put wrong from a math and logic standpoint.

Well whatever I guess.

Kane
11-04-2015, 04:37 PM
Rax is pushing for High MHS+ dragons, with something is simply put wrong from a math and logic standpoint.

Well whatever I guess.
Explain how so.

Y
11-04-2015, 04:37 PM
Explain how so.

I explained why his method is wrong like 3 times over.

Rax
11-04-2015, 04:41 PM
He's trying to use a method that claims the Face bombs are the same number per continent and the same distance between each face itself, we I'm going with the distance from dot to dot

Even though Fiore is one of the smallest countries

black star
11-04-2015, 04:41 PM
debate between ft wanker and haters lol. Rax got points, I have to give that but it being off panel and not knowing distance between faces, I cannot give MHS+ for now. Face is supposed be like a AOE device.

Y
11-04-2015, 04:41 PM
I'll throw something in there for you.

He's assuming the average distance between each cluster (5) is 630km.

We have 110 faces on fiore which makes up 1/11th of the entirety of Ishgar and only 1/27th of the number of faces on Ishgar.

He still retains those 630km for the average.

If you think that makes sense then youre a lost cause.
TheBaldHeadedNegro;

WILD
11-04-2015, 04:45 PM
I'll throw something in there for you.

He's assuming the average distance between each cluster (5) is 630km.

We have 110 faces on fiore which makes up 1/11th of the entirety of Ishgar and only 1/27th of the number of faces on Ishgar.

He still retains those 630km for the average.

If you think that makes sense then youre a lost cause.
@TheBaldHeadedNegro (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=6608);
Well said

Rax
11-04-2015, 04:51 PM
And there tons multiple other countries


The Pengarde Kingdom alone is multiple times Fiore in size

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/fairytail/images/7/79/Map_of_Earth_Land.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100123182336

Y
11-04-2015, 04:52 PM
Reinforcing my point. Thanks.

Rax
11-04-2015, 04:54 PM
Look at that map


Are the you telling me they wouldn't be able to fit the rest in there?:geg

Y
11-04-2015, 04:55 PM
Look at that map


Are the you telling me they wouldn't be able to fit the rest in there?:geg

Rax, look. That arguably makes it worse because it would make the distance to face proportion even worse.

I got Mach 2505 accepted. can we roll with that? Look at the original calc thread.

Rax
11-04-2015, 04:57 PM
you're adding in an entirely unnecessary step into trying to get the Damn distance


Look at the fucking map I posted. The Pengarde Kingdom alone would be fitting over 1k face bombs

Y
11-04-2015, 04:58 PM
I've already explained why it makes it worse and youre just disregarding it.

I suppose I'm done.

Rax
11-04-2015, 05:01 PM
Actually, you're only going for the face bombs as if they're set up in a linear line when the 630 is the distance between them


They're close together in said clusters, I was calculating the distance BETWEEN the clusters


Meaning your method is irrelevant and flawed since they're bunched up and not in the manner you're claiming

Bob
11-04-2015, 05:01 PM
I've already explained why it makes it worse and youre just disregarding it.

I suppose I'm done.

So is it just flight speed? They don't show this kind of speed in actual combat like when acno was fighting ft group on tenrou

Y
11-04-2015, 05:03 PM
Rax, no. What you just said is simply put logically incorrect. Last post in this.

Rax
11-04-2015, 05:03 PM
Your method would mean the faces are lined up in a direct straight line and not scattered around

Y
11-04-2015, 05:04 PM
Incorrect.

Rax
11-04-2015, 05:10 PM
Yes, your method is saying there's so many kilometers between each face and not going for the distance between the dots on the map

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Your method is saying "there's 630 km between each face and 5 per dot, so each dot is so many kilometers a apart"


Which isn't the correct method since the way you're doing it means they're in a linear line

Y
11-04-2015, 05:11 PM
It's using average distances, Rax.

How are you not understanding this.

Rax
11-04-2015, 05:13 PM
And yours is implying each face is 50 miles apart, which is not true


Its rhe distance between the dots. Qyut trying to add in another pointless step

Y
11-04-2015, 05:13 PM
It doesn't matter since the distance is relative. For fucks sake.

You get the same final result Rax.

Rax
11-04-2015, 05:26 PM
Obviously you don't


Your method is claiming each face bomb is set up in a straight fuchking line

In fact your method says each Face bomb is implying them to be in a straight fucking line

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You're trying to use a proven to be wrong distance between the face bombs instead of the distance between the dots

Rax
11-04-2015, 08:55 PM
I'm not understanding how you're getting your speed

My Method: 600 Clusters * 630km *1000/340/4/30 seconds = Mach 9264.7

Your Method: 630km / 5 faces get distances*1000 *3000 Faces /4 / 30 /340 = Mach 9264.7

We got the same results via your method or mine.

So there.

Now, let's wrap this feat up. I have another one in Mind I want to have all looked through

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:35 PM
Y ;

Y
11-04-2015, 09:36 PM
But I don't agree with your average distance between the faces :geg

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:37 PM
Between the clusters

Then cluster distance /5 via your method.

They ended up the exact same.

Y
11-04-2015, 09:37 PM
I have to leave in just a bit, I'll take a look at it tomorrow.

Rax
11-04-2015, 09:38 PM
Can we seriously just leave it here?

It got done

Got higher

Got higher

Got lower

So can we just leave it be and move on? :psyduck

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:16 PM
So I can use a 5 second time frame I guess then since Igneel only said 5 seconds worth of dialogue in the time Frame

Mach 55588.23

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:17 PM
use 2 seconds, gotta get that relativistic mark

Skydragon
11-04-2015, 10:18 PM
use 2 seconds, gotta get that relativistic mark

why so low man you got to 0.0000000000000000001

Y
11-04-2015, 10:19 PM
why so low man you got to 0.0000000000000000001

How can you NOT use a timeframe that would make this atleast MFTL?

Fucking hater.

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:19 PM
why so low man you got to 0.0000000000000000001
:giogio now that's just wanking, sky I didn't think you would go this low

Skydragon
11-04-2015, 10:21 PM
How can you NOT use a timeframe that would make this atleast MFTL?

Fucking hater.

o shit im sorry is this ok then 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:21 PM
So can I use light speed for Sting's roar since it was stated to be a laser? :maybe

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:23 PM
knock urself out man, compile all them FTL ft moments

Y
11-04-2015, 10:24 PM
FT be outspeeding Prime Flash by tomorrow.

Albion
11-04-2015, 10:25 PM
I can't wait to see Wendy speed blitz Whis.

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:27 PM
Y agreed to use 20s at least

10s at a mid end

5 as a Hiiigh end


So back to Mach 13897
Mach 27794
And Mach 55588

Rax
11-04-2015, 11:18 PM
Mach 28k mid level :datass

R
11-04-2015, 11:19 PM
Y agreed to use 20s at least

10s at a mid end

5 as a Hiiigh end


So back to Mach 13897
Mach 27794
And Mach 55588

wrong. he busted your ass and sets up a new calc with 90 seconds

Rax
11-04-2015, 11:21 PM
Y JUST said he agreed to it at least being 20s

So yep.

R
11-04-2015, 11:26 PM
nope. that was before i presented him the new evidence

will be re-calced

Rax
11-04-2015, 11:29 PM
Y and I came of a compromise of at least 20s


So to bad

Meanwhile Igneel was this at Half his power

R
11-04-2015, 11:30 PM
nope.

not accepted. you get 90 seconds from my initial 120 second to get a good travel speed

no combat speed tho

Dellinger
11-05-2015, 12:20 AM
So can I use light speed for Sting's roar since it was stated to be a laser? :maybe

In the next panel it fucking bents :mihawk

Kane
11-05-2015, 12:28 AM
Yeah no, 20-30s is fine

Rax
11-05-2015, 03:58 AM
20 low end, 10 mid end, 5 high ass end


In the next panel it fucking bents :mihawk


Not really changing anything when he cab manipulate it go his wants

R
11-05-2015, 08:40 AM
So it your way and no one will accept it either way

Rax
11-05-2015, 08:43 AM
Y and I came to the fact there's no way it's more than 20s.

So no.

R
11-05-2015, 08:56 AM
thats simply not true under the light of new scans

and does not change the fact, that its neither a combat speed, nor can be scaled to anyone

Rax
11-05-2015, 08:59 AM
It was already agreed upon.

So nope.

R
11-05-2015, 09:05 AM
wrong again :geg

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:07 AM
No.

The contesting of it ended far long ago.

Y
11-05-2015, 09:07 AM
Eh, not sure if I agree with the Mach 4000 Rax. Applicable for Acno maybe. Igneel and the folks Id peg at 2500 still.

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:10 AM
It's not Mach 4k

With the distance and the 20s low end, 10s mid end, and 5s high end it's

Mach 13897

Mach 27794

And Mach 55588

And Igneel was at a fraction of his actual power by at least half :zaru

Y
11-05-2015, 09:14 AM
I'm not even bothering with that.

Gl getting that accepted

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:18 AM
I'm using the distance shown and the time frames agreed on.

I've changed nothing since before

630km / 5 Faces per cluster* 1000 to turn km into meters *3000 total faces /340 /4 for the dragons / Divided by time frame

I like how your Bleach feat being that big is fine but FT's being that big from top tiers is apparently silly.

The Biased

Y
11-05-2015, 09:24 AM
Post the calc on NF and see how it turns out.

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:25 AM
I don't plan on using NF anymore than beyond FT chapter postings and the RWBY fan club.

I care not about their OBD rules and set up.

I used YOUR distance method and got that. Soooo~~~

Y
11-05-2015, 09:28 AM
Because you know it would get thrown out the window.

No, you still disregard my point of you using the wrong average distance. It's still a basic math error und thus the calc is incorrect. I'm done repeating myself.

Also a timeframe of 30 seconds was agreed upon. Just stop it.

Akira
11-05-2015, 09:31 AM
still MHS :cat

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:31 AM
No because this is an entirely different forum with our own rules.

No, it isn't. 630 for the Median distance between the dots

5 faces for middle ground of faces per cluster

630km /5

Y
11-05-2015, 09:31 AM
still MHS :cat

MHS+* Just not 5 digits.

Akira
11-05-2015, 09:32 AM
And it's travel speed :franco

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MHS+* Just not 5 digits.
How ?

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:33 AM
MHS+* Just not 5 digits.


http://www.millenniumforums.com/showthread.php?33648-Bleach-Giant-black-hand-does-some-stuff&p=961683&viewfull=1#post961683

You said it's 20s at least right here

Don't bullshit me because it's bigger than the Bleach feat. Have some class, man.

R
11-05-2015, 09:33 AM
there is a reason why rax is not using the NF more.

his poor attempts get thorn apart

Y
11-05-2015, 09:33 AM
I'll throw something in there for you.

He's assuming the average distance between each cluster (5) is 630km.

We have 110 faces on fiore which makes up 1/11th of the entirety of Ishgar and only 1/27th of the number of faces on Ishgar.

He still retains those 630km for the average.

If you think that makes sense then youre a lost cause.
TheBaldHeadedNegro;


You might as well leave out dividing it by 4 OH and why not multiply the thing by another 3000 because math isn't what you're doing.

What a joke

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:34 AM
And it's travel speed :franco

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How ?


They need that level of speed to even precieve when to hit the Face bombs when traveling

And Igneel and Acnologia were flying about, which is traveling, and fighting at the same time

Meaning their reactions and combat speeds are = Their travel speed

Y
11-05-2015, 09:34 AM
there is a reason why rax is not using the NF more.

his poor attempts get thorn apart

A lock should be appropriate at this point, no?

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:35 AM
You might as well leave out dividing it by 4 OH and why not multiply the thing by another 3000 because math isn't what you're doing.

What a joke

You're trying to use proportions per continent and not taking into account FIORE IS ONE OF THE SMALLEST COUNTRIES ON THE CONTINENT

:giogio

Even 630km * 600 clusters *1000 / 4 / 340 is still the same

:zaru

Y
11-05-2015, 09:35 AM
http://www.millenniumforums.com/showthread.php?33648-Bleach-Giant-black-hand-does-some-stuff&p=961683&viewfull=1#post961683

You said it's 20s at least right here

Don't bullshit me because it's bigger than the Bleach feat. Have some class, man.

20 secs atleast rax meaning thats the LEAST amount not the max


Stop.

R
11-05-2015, 09:36 AM
A lock should be appropriate at this point, no?

leaving the shoutout to you.

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:36 AM
A lock should be appropriate at this point, no?

You straight agreed that it's a 20s time frame at least

Y
11-05-2015, 09:36 AM
You're trying to use proportions per continent and not taking into account FIORE IS ONE OF THE SMALLEST COUNTRIES ON THE CONTINENT

:giogio

Even 630km * 600 clusters *1000 / 4 / 340 is still the same

:zaru

You cant be serious.

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You straight agreed that it's a 20s time frame at least

Stop lying.

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:37 AM
20 secs atleast rax meaning thats the LEAST amount not the max


Stop.

Even with a 20s time frame Acnologia and Igneel are twice this feat at least due to the fact Igneel was > The 4 dragons whilst at a fraction of actual strength and half dead :lmao

Akira
11-05-2015, 09:37 AM
They need that level of speed to even precieve when to hit the Face bombs when traveling

And Igneel and Acnologia were flying about, which is traveling, and fighting at the same time

Meaning their reactions and combat speeds are = Their travel speed
How ? Are you stupid ?
The dragons are too big to have such reactions :mc

R
11-05-2015, 09:37 AM
calcs something wrong and poorly

continues to scale other beings "twice as fast"

cause reasons

:geg

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:38 AM
You cant be serious.

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Stop lying.


5 Faces per cluster

3000 total faces

Meaning there are 600 clusters

630km median between each cluster

How are you ignoring this?

Y
11-05-2015, 09:38 AM
Even with a 20s time frame Acnologia and Igneel are twice this feat at least due to the fact Igneel was > The 4 dragons whilst at a fraction of actual strength and half dead :lmao

Still dosregarding basic math errors. Meh.
/out

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:38 AM
Still dosregarding basic math errors. Meh.
/out

You're trying to proportionately say there are the same amount of faces on each country, when that's retarded.

Y
11-05-2015, 09:38 AM
5 Faces per cluster

3000 total faces

Meaning there are 600 clusters

630km median between each cluster

How are you ignoring this?

I'm not. You're just ignoring basic math laws

Akira
11-05-2015, 09:39 AM
still didn't get how it's jump from MHS to MHS+
tomorrow, he will probably say they are relativistic :pac

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:40 AM
I'm not. You're just ignoring basic math laws

:giogio

So you think there are the same number of Faces on each country then on Fiore? :giogio

Y
11-05-2015, 09:42 AM
:giogio

So you think there are the same number of Faces on each country then on Fiore? :giogio

No. I'm not.

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:45 AM
And the median distance between clusters is 630km

There are 600 clusters

Meaning 600*630/4 = Kilometers for each Dragon

Y
11-05-2015, 09:48 AM
It's not my job to teach you how 6th grade math works. That'd be your respective teacher.

You can open a poll on it if you want.

Akira
11-05-2015, 09:49 AM
It's not my job to teach you how 6th grade math works. That'd be your respective teacher.

You can open a poll on it if you want.
Already done by you and the majority said they are MHS :geg

Y
11-05-2015, 09:58 AM
Millennium Creed; Pimp of Pimps; Great Potato;

Lock this please. Looking through the pages should be a very clear indicator as to why.

Rax
11-05-2015, 09:58 AM
So you ignore the plain aspects of division?

Kay.

Akira
11-05-2015, 10:00 AM
So you ignore the plain aspects of division?

Kay.
I thinks he don't want to argue with you anymore

Rax
11-05-2015, 10:04 AM
Come on Akira, I know you're smart enough to do the math

5 faces per cluster

3000 Faces total

Meaning 600 Clusters

630km median distance

Meaning 630km * 600 Clusters / 4 dragons = Distance of each

Y
11-05-2015, 10:35 AM
I'll explain it 1 final time. The reason your average distance is bullshit BECAUSE the concentration of face bombs on those 21000 other kilometers are far higher.


We have 110 on 2000 km and 2890 on 21000km.

You cant use the distance of the least concentrated mass to get the distance for all of them. That shit straight up makes no logical sense.
WILD; TheBaldHeadedNegro; you tell me, is that concept so hard to grasp?

Black Leg Sanji
11-05-2015, 10:38 AM
Why is no one locking this thread?

Rax
11-05-2015, 10:40 AM
Here's wht I propose


Calc up the total area of Ishgar from the lengths we know

Y
11-05-2015, 10:40 AM
Why is no one locking this thread?

I never thought Rax would ignore common sense when doing math.

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Here's wht I propose


Calc up the total area of Ishgar from the lengths we know

23000 km.

And no it doesnt matter wether its NS or total area since Fiore and Idhgar dont magically change proportion.

Thread should still be locked
Millennium Creed;