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Rax
10-30-2015, 05:11 AM
Bringing up the feat of Laxus entering Sirius Island as lightning

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/244/244_18.png
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/244/244_19.png

Laxus would need lightning speed reactions here to

1. Even find Sirius Island while as Lightning
2. Direct to where he wanted to go
3. Know when to strike down onto the boat
4. Use said state and speed to be able to find Natsu and Co inside the boat

W
10-30-2015, 06:19 AM
Magic lightning isn't real lightning herp derp

Rax
10-30-2015, 06:24 AM
He came down from a natural storm cloud

W
10-30-2015, 06:52 AM
Proof it's natural?

Rax
10-30-2015, 06:54 AM
Proof it's natural?

It had been raining all over the island for hours already before hand.

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/242/003.jpg

W
10-30-2015, 06:58 AM
Hmmm

Rax
10-30-2015, 06:59 AM
As said :psyduck

:rax

Rax
10-30-2015, 09:27 AM
Scales to reaction and combat speed to all of those >= GMG Laxus

Bob
10-30-2015, 09:31 AM
yup, only lightning speed part is when he strikes the boat, the ones inside the boat <<<lightning speed

R
10-30-2015, 09:32 AM
http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/246/25-244.0/compressed/m244.19.jpg?v=51311398777

http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/246/25-244.0/compressed/m244.20.jpg?v=51311398777

http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/246/25-244.0/compressed/m244.21.jpg?v=51311398777

clear travel speed. no reaction. no movement. no combat. nothing


FIRST the lightning hit

THEN laxus travels down in it

check closely

Skydragon
10-30-2015, 09:33 AM
http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/246/25-244.0/compressed/m244.19.jpg?v=51311398777

http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/246/25-244.0/compressed/m244.20.jpg?v=51311398777

http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/246/25-244.0/compressed/m244.21.jpg?v=51311398777

clear travel speed. no reaction. no movement. no combat. nothing


FIRST the lightning hit

THEN laxus travels down in it

check closely

he dose look like a bad ass though

Rax
10-30-2015, 09:34 AM
How does that make sense at all or negate any of the points I just made towards it?

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http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/246/25-244.0/compressed/m244.19.jpg?v=51311398777

http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/246/25-244.0/compressed/m244.20.jpg?v=51311398777

http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/246/25-244.0/compressed/m244.21.jpg?v=51311398777

clear travel speed. no reaction. no movement. no combat. nothing


FIRST the lightning hit

THEN laxus travels down in it

check closely

He would need reactions speeds at least equal to control where he's going, especially to get to the island as it's hidden

He'd need the reactions to also know when and where on the boat to strike

This was already addressed.

R
10-30-2015, 09:35 AM
Scales to reaction and combat speed to all of those >= GMG Laxus

yeha no one reacted to it

he never showed it in combat

so no

on top: he traveled down after the lightning hit. not striked down with it

Bob
10-30-2015, 09:37 AM
He can just look from above to see where to strike,
He can just travel through the clouds, stopping now and then to look for the island.

So yh, just a travel feat

Rax
10-30-2015, 09:38 AM
Yes, seeing as Jura was faster than Laxus' reactions when he went to try and blitz him.

He traveled down AS the lightning bolt.

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He can just look from above to see where to strike,
He can just travel through the clouds, stopping now and then to look for the island.

So yh, just a travel feat

So he just flew around the ocean until he randomly came across the island, stopped, looked for a while, then decided to go down?

That makes no sense and nothing indicates it.

R
10-30-2015, 09:40 AM
no he did not travel AS the lightning bold

the lightning bolt struck down in one panel

then in the next panel you see gildarts traveling down in the remaining light

no reaction speed

no combat speed

everyone was following his tracks even if you look closely

Bob
10-30-2015, 09:40 AM
It's a possibility, he could've just been lucky and found the island.

Rax
10-30-2015, 09:43 AM
no he did not travel AS the lightning bold

the lightning bolt struck down in one panel

then in the next panel you see gildarts traveling down in the remaining light

no reaction speed

no combat speed

everyone was following his tracks even if you look closely


Yes he fucking did. This is a commonly known fact :geg

Do you see a figure of any kind in that lightning?

He can turn into lightning, dude.

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/244/244_19.png

It would need reaction speed to do so

The combat feat is applied later when Jura is shown faster than Laxus could react

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/320/320_16.png
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/320/320_17.png

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It's a possibility, he could've just been lucky and found the island.

Yeah, this level of no possible sense guess work straw grasping is not allowed

Bob
10-30-2015, 09:45 AM
that part where he turns into lighting, is <<<<lightning speed
Since magic lightning in FT <<<<lightning speed

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Yes he fucking did. This is a commonly known fact :geg

Do you see a figure of any kind in that lightning?

He can turn into lightning, dude.

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/244/244_19.png

It would need reaction speed to do so

The combat feat is applied later when Jura is shown faster than Laxus could react

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/320/320_16.png
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/320/320_17.png

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Yeah, this level of no possible sense guess work straw grasping is not allowed
It's still a possibility, unless u show scans to say otherwise.

Rax
10-30-2015, 09:50 AM
He traveled down from the cloud as a lightning bolt. That's as legit as someone casting a lightning bolt from a legit cloud.

And no.

Laxus uses dragon lightning for the most part.

Slayer element has been in all ways superior to their natural elements, meaning slayer lightning is at least lightning speed.

No that isn't

Go make that into a thread right now. No one is gonna by that no proof assumptions shit

I might as well guess that it takes Acnologia a second to cross the planet cause it's a possibility

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Point out where Laxus' figure is inside that mass of lightning.

He came down AS the lightning bolt

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R
10-30-2015, 09:51 AM
yeha. go and make a thread about ds magic being > regular magic

Bob
10-30-2015, 09:52 AM
dragon slayer, w.e slayer doesn;t matter
Lightning magic in ft <<<<<real lightning speed

Rax
10-30-2015, 10:01 AM
All the other elements have shown to be > their natural counter parts

Why in the hell would lightning be an exception?

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dragon slayer, w.e slayer doesn;t matter
Lightning magic in ft <<<<<real lightning speed


Slayer fire burns hotter

Slayer metal is more durable

Slayer wind gusts harder

Why would slayer lightning be slower than normal lightning?

Bob
10-30-2015, 10:12 AM
Magic lightning <<<<lightning speed:
http://i9.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/105/fairy-tail-161983.jpg

Rax
10-30-2015, 10:16 AM
I agree with plain magic plain magic lightning, but not slayer lightning

Bob
10-30-2015, 10:18 AM
lol you can't disagree in the first place and no w.e lightning its magic - which is already proven to be <<<<real L speed.

Rax
10-30-2015, 10:29 AM
All other forms of a layer elements are superior to their natural counter part

You think natural fire > Natsu's fire?

Bob
10-30-2015, 10:36 AM
last time ima say this:

Magic lightning (this can be fking plain or some double Oreo shit, it's still magic) with the scan I posted above it has been proven to be <<<<real lightning speed.

Natsu's fire or w.e doesn't have this kind of outlier.

Laxus will prob get some actual lightning speed attacks soon anyway.

Rax
10-30-2015, 10:37 AM
You're using shit from plain magic lighting

The standard version of an element in magic and slayer elements are extremely different, dude

Bob
10-30-2015, 10:39 AM
yup, great chat son.

Rax
10-30-2015, 10:46 AM
Why the fuck would anyone pick lightning slayer if the element is vastly inferior to the natural thing when all other slayer elements shot on their natural counterparts?

Ichiryuu
10-30-2015, 11:01 AM
I'm not saying this is true, but you mentioned the other elements being superior over the natural real world ones, if you left out speed that would still make Laxus lightning more destructive than normal lightning. His lightning does boost his speed, but it's possible it doesn't necessarily mean it makes him go faster than natural lightning, for all we know their elements could be superior to real world ones only in DC or something similar to that.

Rax
10-30-2015, 11:05 AM
How many times do people who use lightning occur with them not being portrayed as speedsters?


Anwyways, what about the points I made about his reaction speed?

Ichiryuu
10-30-2015, 11:10 AM
I'm not arguing against the fact that he's lightning speed, I was saying that it was a possibility that it did boost his speed, but not necessarily to lightning speed or more than that, but it would be stronger than natural lightning.

Rax
10-30-2015, 11:16 AM
I don't see why he wouldn't be lightning speed seeing as he came form the storm cloud

Rax
10-30-2015, 10:16 PM
Bump

Reality
10-31-2015, 02:41 AM
So people are saying you need to come from clouds to be real lightning and lightning speed but when Laxus does it, it's no longer valid?

:psyduck

Y
10-31-2015, 02:42 AM
So people are saying you need to come from clouds to be real lightning and when Laxus does it, it's no longer valid?

:psyduck

Go and look up Rax arguments for Gilthunder, the cloud appeared out of nowhere hence its magic hence not lighning speed.

Good thing the storms been there all the time during the hades fight - Oh...

Reality
10-31-2015, 02:46 AM
Go figure why everyone hates debating with Rax.

Y

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Go and look up Rax arguments for Gilthunder, the cloud appeared out of nowhere hence its magic hence not lighning speed.

Good thing the storms been there all the time during the hades fight - Oh...

Were they not?

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 02:47 AM
Still can't top Kalifa's feat :hhh

Rax
10-31-2015, 02:51 AM
Go and look up Rax arguments for Gilthunder, the cloud appeared out of nowhere hence its magic hence not lighning speed.

Good thing the storms been there all the time during the hades fight - Oh...


It was

http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-242-page-3.html

Reality
10-31-2015, 03:33 AM
Still can't top Kalifa's feat :hhh

Agree'd, watch out Enel, Nami is the new God.

Rax
10-31-2015, 03:40 AM
I've already made a good point at the fact Kalifa's shit might not be true :hmm

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 03:45 AM
Kalifa's shit is true.Nami created natural lighting.

G2 Luffy was blitzing someone superior to Kalifa like no tomorrow.

Rax
10-31-2015, 03:48 AM
But Kalifa noticed the lightning before it struck

And you can see the soap shape already inside the lightning

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 03:52 AM
Kalifa only noticed a cloud you fucking liar.She never took a form.

http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v42/c407/18.html

http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v42/c408/2.html

Rax
10-31-2015, 03:55 AM
Mangafox doesn't work for me, mang

She knew before hand, so her reactions aren't really the same as it

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 03:57 AM
She knew nothing.She did not expect lighting to come out of it.She reacted.Plain and simple.Luffy was blitzing guys far superior to her.

Rax
10-31-2015, 03:58 AM
Link please

MF doesn't work for me! :grr

Albion
10-31-2015, 03:59 AM
But Kalifa noticed the lightning before it struck

And you can see the soap shape already inside the lightning
She didn't take action before the Lightning struck. She noticed the clouds before the Lightning came down but didn't move until the Lightning actually left the clouds.

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 04:01 AM
http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-407-page-18.html

http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-408-page-2.html

http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-408-page-3.html

Rax
10-31-2015, 04:01 AM
Proof she was moving before the lightning hit?

The the fact it could easily be an outlier seeing as Nami tier bitches being able to react to Enel is silly as hell

Kane
10-31-2015, 04:02 AM
Its not an outlier, Kalifa is emphasized to be a superhuman whereas Nami never was stated to be like that

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 04:03 AM
Rax proven wrong yet again.

Next please.

Rax
10-31-2015, 04:06 AM
No, seeing as that would make Enel's fruit and existence nigh pointless if fodder was able to outspeed him. :lmao

I might as well claim Sting's roar as actual laser speed or some shit if you can make assumptions when there was nothing to show whether the bolt went first or she reacted first.

Fact of the matter is she saw the shit before the bolts happened.

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I also don't see how this does anything to Laxus' feat

Sirius Island Laxus is shit compared to current FT.

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 04:08 AM
She sees a cloud,lighting comes out and she reacts.

Luffy was blitzing Blueno and Lucci in G2.

Stop being an idiot.

Rax
10-31-2015, 04:11 AM
So pretty much everyone in OP can beat Enel?

Lel

Irrelevant. She wouldn't even in fact be lightning speed as she had time before hand to react and before it hit the ground

Meaning it would only be a fraction of it

Laxus on the other hand would need the full speed to pilot himself as a bolt.

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 04:12 AM
No one said Kalifa is lightning speed you dumbass.

Rax
10-31-2015, 04:14 AM
But Laxus is via this feat of his, you rump :grr

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 04:15 AM
Laxus cannot transform to lightning.

Numinous One
10-31-2015, 04:17 AM
Laxus cannot transform to lightning.

Actually he blatantly does it during his fight with Hades.

Rax
10-31-2015, 04:17 AM
Yes he can

He's done it before

http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-245-page-12.html
http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-69-page-12.html
http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-120-page-12.html

Slayer
10-31-2015, 06:06 AM
Magical lightning is real lightning now?

Does that mean Kalifa has lightning speed reactions? What about Nami dodging enel? :catgrin

Rax
10-31-2015, 06:10 AM
He straight came out of a natural lightning cloud that had been discharging lightning bolts even prior

Slayer
10-31-2015, 06:14 AM
He straight came out of a natural lightning cloud that had been discharging lightning bolts even prior

So? That's exactly how nami's tempo works.

Rax
10-31-2015, 06:17 AM
But Kalifa saw the cloud before hand and was looking directly at it

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 11:12 AM
So what?Did she transform when the cloud appeared?Stop nipticking because fucking Kalifa has a better speed feat than FT.

Rax
10-31-2015, 11:14 AM
But she had warning before hand :grr

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 11:16 AM
She sees a cloud not a fucking bolt you doofus.

She reacted to it plain and simple.Luffy as blitzing guys far superior to her.That's all there is to it.

Rax
10-31-2015, 11:17 AM
I was told there was crackling before the lightning strikes :grr

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 11:22 AM
I posted the damn pages :giogio

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http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-408-page-3.html

She was clearly surprised,yet she reacted.

Rax
10-31-2015, 11:28 AM
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/one-piece/407/One_Piece-407-19.png

There were indications before hand! :pek

How about we just settle with this and she's HS+?

I don't wanna argue this anymore :rax

Rax
10-31-2015, 01:14 PM
So Laxus lightning reactions is a solid good?
W ; Y ; DoflaMihawk ; Ichiryuu ; Boss Snake ; Void ; Akrona ; Crispinianus ;

Bob
10-31-2015, 01:15 PM
Make a poll

Y
10-31-2015, 01:15 PM
Not in my mind.

But I'm staying away from UBD FT for a while, or atleast without equal speed.

Rax
10-31-2015, 01:17 PM
Did you look at my points I made at all, Y?

Bob
10-31-2015, 01:17 PM
all your "ass-umptions" yes

Crispickle
10-31-2015, 01:18 PM
So Laxus lightning reactions is a solid good?
@W (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=5090) ; @Y (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=1489) ; @DoflaMihawk (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=520) ; @Ichiryuu (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=3204) ; @Boss Snake (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=4949) ; @Void (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=3685) ; @Akrona (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=7380) ; @Crispinianus (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=6492) ;

Why on earth do you ask me? :argh

Rax
10-31-2015, 01:20 PM
Cause you Qt, Crispy :hurr

Can you look at the points I made in the first post?

Dellinger
10-31-2015, 01:33 PM
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/one-piece/407/One_Piece-407-19.png

There were indications before hand! :pek

How about we just settle with this and she's HS+?

I don't wanna argue this anymore :rax

She is MHS in reactions deal with it.

Crispickle
10-31-2015, 01:33 PM
Cause you Qt, Crispy :hurr

Can you look at the points I made in the first post?

No! I understand nothing of UBD things :argh

Rax
10-31-2015, 01:36 PM
Do you agree to direct yourself when moving as fast as lightning you'd need reactions to do so?

If you were far slower like Bob claims you wouldn't be able to control the level of speed at all

Crispickle
10-31-2015, 01:45 PM
I have no idea! :saysowwy

DoflaMihawk
10-31-2015, 02:16 PM
So Laxus lightning reactions is a solid good?
W ; Y ; DoflaMihawk ; Ichiryuu ; Boss Snake ; Void ; Akrona ; Crispinianus ;

Please stop bringing me into this.

Ichiryuu
10-31-2015, 05:08 PM
I just know that Laxus is fast in the verse, but I have no idea how it works or if I could make him lightning speed. It would be nice if there were some (non pixel scaling) speed calc or something.