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Y
08-22-2015, 08:05 PM
https://i.imgur.com/0w3919u.pngNo series is complete without a stupidly overtuned villain

Series of origin: Bleach
Species: King of the Quincy, Soul King;
Age: At least one thousand years old, likely older.
Standard equipment: Quincy Cross and a Medallion with which he can steal a released Bankai, Zanka no Tachi (via Medallion);
DC: Island Level+ | At least Small Country Level+ | Small Planet Level
Range: Planetary
Durability: Small Country Level+ | Small Country+ | At least Country Level+
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ | Massively Hypersonic+ | Massively Hypersonic+
Lifting Strength: Class T
Striking Strength: Class EJ+
Stamina: Extremely High, has yet to tire;
Weaknesses: His precognition does not work on the Soul King;
Powers and abilities:

Flight

The Almighty
Precognition: Yhwach can see anything and everything that occurs in the far-flung future, observing every possible future at once. When he knows of a power, it is rendered unable to defeat him.
Power Intuition: Any power that Yhwach "knows" will then become his ally. It should be noted that Yhwach gained another pupil after nullifying and making Futen Daisatsuryo his ally.
Reactionary Power Immunity: The power that he has made his ally will not only be unable to defeat him, but cannot possibly harm him in any way.
Probablity Manipulation: Yhwach is capable of choosing which of the countless number of possible futures unfolds.
Ressurection through Future Manipulation: Yhwach can rewrite futures in which he has died.
Blut
An advanced Quincy technique which grants one inhuman offensive and defensive capabilities, generated by making Reishi flow into the user's blood vessels. The independent forms for attack and defense cannot be employed simultaneously.
Blut Vene: Yhwach is capable of withstanding a Bankai enhanced Getsuga Tensho without sustaining any injury.
Blut Vene Anhaben : Yhwach extends his Blut Vene outside of his body to create a forcefield that blocks incoming attacks. It can easily block mid-level Kidō spells, such as Bakudō #62 Hyapporankan, even when employed by a member of the Royal Guard. The forcefield consumes everything around it, including living beings, in order to maintain itself. When activated, it creates the Blut Vene vein pattern on the surface of whatever it attempts to consume.
Self-Power Restoration
Should Yhwach's physical or spiritual capabilities be impaired by his opponent, he can easily restore them. When Ichibē Hyōsube's Name Curse crushed Yhwach's voice and prevented him from speaking, Yhwach granted himself the power of voice once more by digging his fingers into his throat and channeling Reishi into the openings. When Ichibē's sealed Zanpakutō caused Yhwach's physical and spiritual power to be halved due to Ichibē cutting his name in half, Yhwach restored them by summoning and absorbing several ribbons of Reishi inscribed with Roman letters.
Medallion Release: Zanka no TachiEast: Rising Sun Edge
Automatically activated at release, this ability concentrates the intense flames of the sword along the edge of the blade. It neither burns nor erupts, but anything it touches is eradicated to nothingness. Even the defensive power of the Wandenreich's Blut Vene cannot stand up against this technique.
West: Embodyment of the SunAutomatically activated at release, this ability is unseen by the eyes of anyone else unless Yhwach wills it to be seen. It engulfs his body in heat which reaches a temperature upwards of 15,000,000 degrees. Therefore, it becomes impossible to even touch him while he is using his Bankai.The level of heat produced by this technique is so high, it would not actually appear in the form of flames.
South: March of the Ten Trillion Dead
Impaling the tip of his sword into the ground, Yhwach calls upon the corpses and ashes of the dead who were killed by Yamamotos flames to come forth and fight on his behalf. They emerge from a rupture in the ground which comes with enough force to decimate Kirchenlied: Sankt Zwinger. Using the heat of his sword on their ashes, he can rouse all the people he has killed, allowing the corpses to become his limbs and attack whomever he deems as his enemy until they become dust. He can bring forth any specific corpse which he wishes, allowing him to inflict psychological damage upon those with connections to those he has slain.
North: Heaven and Earth - To Ashes and Nothingness
A slash of concentrated fire and heat which incinerates whatever it touches out of existence.
*Insert all powers displayed by the Sternritter group*

Yhwach | Almighty Yhwach | Soul King Yhwach

Kane
08-22-2015, 09:26 PM
http://i.imgur.com/qs8UaSu.png
Series of origin: Bleach
Species: Quincy, Soul King;
Age: At least one thousand years old, likely older.
Standard equipment: Quincy Cross and a Medallion with which he can steal a released Bankai, and use the Bankai, Zanka no Tachi
DC: Island Level+ | Small Continent Level+ | Continent Level+
Durability: Small Country Level+ | Small Continental+ | Continental+
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ | Massively Hypersonic+ | Sub-Relativistic
Lifting Strength: Class T
Striking Strength: Class EJ+
Stamina: Extremely High, has yet to tire.
Weaknesses: His precognition does not work the Soul King, or his parts.
Powers and abilities:
Flight

The Almighty: When Yhwach activates The Almighty, his irises and pupils split in two. After Yhwach was sealed away, it took 900 years for his heart to begin beating once more, 90 years for him to regain awareness, and 9 years for him to regain his power. If he were to open his eyes before those final 9 years had fully elapsed, he may have been unable to fully control his power and accidentally stolen all of the power from his loyal Sternritter. With this power's activation, Yhwach achieves his full strength. Yhwach can see anything and everything that occurs in the far-flung future. When he knows of a power, it is rendered unable to defeat him.

Power Intuition: Any power that Yhwach "knows" will then become his ally. It should be noted that Yhwach gained another pupil after nullifying and making Futen Daisatsuryo his ally.



Reactionary Power Immunity: The power that he has made his ally will not only be unable to defeat him, but cannot possibly harm him in any way.


Blut: An advanced Quincy technique which grants one inhuman offensive and defensive capabilities, generated by making Reishi flow into the user's blood vessels. The independent forms for attack and defense cannot be employed simultaneously.



Blut Vene: Yhwach is capable of withstanding a Bankai enhanced Getsuga Tensho without sustaining any injury.

Blut Vene Anhaben : Yhwach extends his Blut Vene outside of his body to create a forcefield that blocks incoming attacks. It can easily block mid-level Kidō spells, such as Bakudō #62 Hyapporankan, even when employed by a member of the Royal Guard. The forcefield consumes everything around it, including living beings, in order to maintain itself. When activated, it creates the Blut Vene vein pattern on the surface of whatever it attempts to consume.



Self-Power Restoration: Should Yhwach's physical or spiritual capabilities be impaired by his opponent, he can easily restore them. When Ichibē Hyōsube's Name Curse crushed Yhwach's voice and prevented him from speaking, Yhwach granted himself the power of voice once more by digging his fingers into his throat and channeling Reishi into the openings. When Ichibē's sealed Zanpakutō caused Yhwach's physical and spiritual power to be halved due to Ichibē cutting his name in half, Yhwach restored them by summoning and absorbing several ribbons of Reishi inscribed with Roman letters.


Yhwach |Almighty Yhwach | Soul King Yhwach

What gives him continent level dura?

Y
08-22-2015, 09:55 PM
What gives him continent level dura?

tanked Ichibei's Senri Tsūtenshō, Should be superior to current Aizen who is superior to Phase 4 Hogyoku Aizen who survived Mugetsu.

Huo Yuhao
08-22-2015, 10:04 PM
Mugetsu is continent-level?

Y
08-22-2015, 10:07 PM
Yeah.

Huo Yuhao
08-22-2015, 10:07 PM
Yeah.
Post the scan

Kane
08-22-2015, 10:11 PM
tanked Ichibei's Senri Tsūtenshō, Should be superior to current Aizen who is superior to Phase 4 Hogyoku Aizen who survived Mugetsu.
Mugetsu was small country iirc.

Senti Tsutensho is just a hand pushing Yhwach, don't see how it has continent level attack potency.

Y
08-22-2015, 10:21 PM
Mugetsu was small country iirc.

Senti Tsutensho is just a hand pushing Yhwach, don't see how it has continent level attack potency.

Naw it's continental, Yamas bankai (http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?bt=198177#comment198177)is continental so it gets scaled from there.

Mach 64 = 21760m/s
12 hours = 43200 seconds

21760m/s*43200s = 940.032.000m

Low End
5 minutes = 300 seconds
940.032.000m/300s = 3133440m/s
Mach 9216 Sub relativistic (>Mach 8810)

Mid
1 minute = 60 seconds
940.032.000m/60s = 15.667.200m/s
Mach 46080 Sub relativistic (>Mach 8810)

High
10 seconds
940.032.000m/10s = 94.003.200
Mach 276480 Relativistic (>Mach 88099)

That looking better than the assumed mach 26 from Ichigo?

Kane
08-22-2015, 10:23 PM
Right, My bad there.

Mach 64 = 21760m/s
12 hours = 43200 seconds

21760m/s*43200s = 940.032.000m

Low End
5 minutes = 300 seconds
940.032.000m/300s = 3133440m/s
Mach 9216 Sub relativistic (>Mach 8810)

Mid
1 minute = 60 seconds
940.032.000m/60s = 15.667.200m/s
Mach 46080 Sub relativistic (>Mach 8810)

High
10 seconds
940.032.000m/10s = 94.003.200
Mach 276480 Relativistic (>Mach 88099)

That looking better than the assumed mach 26 from Ichigo?
Mach 64 is from a calc right?

Can you post it?

Y
08-22-2015, 10:25 PM
Got it from Bob, imma ask.

Kane
08-22-2015, 10:39 PM
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=21505
Judging from the people, the width of the stand should be about 1 m, and the width is about two hundred and twenty times less than the distance of the stand to the forest, so that distance looks to be about 220 M or so.

Assuming a 1 second time frame, that's 220 m/s.

Since Shunpo takes a week to get to the Royal Palace, that puts the distance at 151200 km.

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Assuming a 1 minute timeframe or so, that would put the feat at Mach 7346.

Y
08-22-2015, 10:43 PM
I still think 1 minute is far too long for mimihagi to get up there. But that's just me.

It took only 2 panels, The quaking stopped in panel 2, meaning he was up there already.

Huo Yuhao
08-22-2015, 10:45 PM
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=21505
Judging from the people, the width of the stand should be about 1 m, and the width is about two hundred and twenty times less than the distance of the stand to the forest, so that distance looks to be about 220 M or so.

Assuming a 1 second time frame, that's 220 m/s.

Since Shunpo takes a week to get to the Royal Palace, that puts the distance at 151200 km.

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Assuming a 1 minute timeframe or so, that would put the feat at Mach 7346.
I just realized but your avatar sucks ball

Kane
08-22-2015, 10:48 PM
I just realized but your avatar sucks ballAlright man

Naw it's continental, Yamas bankai (http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?bt=198177#comment198177)is continental so it gets scaled from there.

Mach 64 = 21760m/s
12 hours = 43200 seconds

21760m/s*43200s = 940.032.000m

Low End
5 minutes = 300 seconds
940.032.000m/300s = 3133440m/s
Mach 9216 Sub relativistic (>Mach 8810)

Mid
1 minute = 60 seconds
940.032.000m/60s = 15.667.200m/s
Mach 46080 Sub relativistic (>Mach 8810)

High
10 seconds
940.032.000m/10s = 94.003.200
Mach 276480 Relativistic (>Mach 88099)

That looking better than the assumed mach 26 from Ichigo?
Nah, we already calculated the enrgy output of Yama's Bankai and it came out in the single digit teratons.

Y
08-22-2015, 10:50 PM
Nah, we already calculated the enrgy output of Yama's Bankai and it came out in the single digit teratons.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20953

Kane
08-22-2015, 10:53 PM
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20953
That is a feat that he can't do in one go, and that includes damage over time, that amount of time could be years, months, weeks, or days.

If you calculate his energy released per second it is in the teratons.

Y
08-22-2015, 11:00 PM
That's not the point. Dangai Ichigo is > Yamamoto

Mugetsu puts everything into one attack so it's > The entire energy Yamato can produce

hence continental dura.

Kane
08-22-2015, 11:07 PM
That's not the point. Dangai Ichigo is > Yamamoto

Mugetsu puts everything into one attack so it's > The entire energy Yamato can produce

hence continental dura.
Let's say a regular man throws 100000 regular punches in one month


Let's now say a boxer throws his most powerful punch.

Do you think that boxer's punch has energy greater than the sum total of the other guy's punches?

Y
08-22-2015, 11:14 PM
Except that that regular mans stamina gets replenished over time.

Yamamoto in bankai is constantly losing stamina and energy, he's using it all up in one go.

Let's say a man throws as many punches as he can without rest.

Then a stronger man somehow channels his entire power and stamina, every last bit to the point that he collapses after the punch, into one blow.

Yes. Yes I do.

Makenzye
08-22-2015, 11:39 PM
Wut?

black star
08-23-2015, 12:40 AM
tanked Ichibei's Senri Tsūtenshō, Should be superior to current Aizen who is superior to Phase 4 Hogyoku Aizen who survived Mugetsu.

Mugetsu was at best multi mountain level attack.

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Naw it's continental, Yamas bankai (http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?bt=198177#comment198177)is continental so it gets scaled from there.

Mach 64 = 21760m/s
12 hours = 43200 seconds

21760m/s*43200s = 940.032.000m

Low End
5 minutes = 300 seconds
940.032.000m/300s = 3133440m/s
Mach 9216 Sub relativistic (>Mach 8810)

Mid
1 minute = 60 seconds
940.032.000m/60s = 15.667.200m/s
Mach 46080 Sub relativistic (>Mach 8810)

High
10 seconds
940.032.000m/10s = 94.003.200
Mach 276480 Relativistic (>Mach 88099)

That looking better than the assumed mach 26 from Ichigo?

Yama's bankai is indeed very hot, but it hasn't even destroy even a hill. Its just a speculation that he can do it or not. Lots of hyperbole statement happens in Bleach, do you have anything else instead of statements to prove that. Like feat or scaling?
Likewise that mach 64 is baseless. Any feat that supports it. And any feat that supports that Ichigo will take that long time to reach it?

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Except that that regular mans stamina gets replenished over time.

Yamamoto in bankai is constantly losing stamina and energy, he's using it all up in one go.

Let's say a man throws as many punches as he can without rest.

Then a stronger man somehow channels his entire power and stamina, every last bit to the point that he collapses after the punch, into one blow.

Yes. Yes I do.
:heston

Y
08-23-2015, 01:49 AM
Mugetsu was at best multi mountain level attack.

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Yama's bankai is indeed very hot, but it hasn't even destroy even a hill. Its just a speculation that he can do it or not. Lots of hyperbole statement happens in Bleach, do you have anything else instead of statements to prove that. Like feat or scaling?
Likewise that mach 64 is baseless. Any feat that supports it. And any feat that supports that Ichigo will take that long time to reach it?

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:heston

You have no idea how any of this works now do you.

Rax
08-23-2015, 04:57 AM
>Continent level
>Sub Relavistic

Nope :lmao

black star
08-23-2015, 06:54 AM
WHat Baldy calc was more appropriate I think.

But assuming Ichigo can do Sunpo continuously for a week is laughable. And assuming mimihage reach Soul palace in just 1 min coz it was no longer visible more hilarious. So bleach characters can see something that is about 10 miles away :heston

Rax
08-23-2015, 07:27 AM
So pixel scaling means no calcs, fuck boys :smug

Y
08-23-2015, 10:48 AM
The hypocrisy from you two is fucking hilarious :lmao

Rax
08-23-2015, 10:57 AM
There's nothing to suggest he's continent level nor is there any subrelavistic shit.

Y
08-23-2015, 11:05 AM
Except there is :lmao

Rax
08-23-2015, 11:06 AM
Might as well give me LS Natsu :rax

Y
08-23-2015, 11:20 AM
I'm slowly behinning to realize why arguing with you is pointless again.

Rax
08-23-2015, 11:25 AM
I like how the calc to make Ywach relavistic is only via using another calc to get a distance

Meaning fucking calc stacking, which is not allowed :lmao

Ichiryuu
08-23-2015, 11:53 AM
WHat Baldy calc was more appropriate I think.

But assuming Ichigo can do Sunpo continuously for a week is laughable. And assuming mimihage reach Soul palace in just 1 min coz it was no longer visible more hilarious. So bleach characters can see something that is about 10 miles away :heston

:giogio

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/bleach/217/[M7]Bleach-ch217-11.jpg

Ichigo could walk for 5 straight days on the Super Hiyori Walker which consumed a hell lot of Spirit Power. This was 400+ chapters ago before Ichigo started even to learn controlling his vizard mode.
Assuming He couldn't Shunpo for a week by now which likely takes a lot less energy than the super hiyori walker is the thing that's laughable.

Rax
08-23-2015, 12:04 PM
Walking for 5 days is different than flash stepping for 5 days

Ichiryuu
08-23-2015, 12:07 PM
Walking for 5 days is different than flash stepping for 5 days

Both walking and being on a machine that drains your spirit power like mad crazy. At least read what I'm saying.

Rax
08-23-2015, 12:13 PM
And there's nothing to say it takes as much energy as a flash step does.

Ichiryuu
08-23-2015, 12:17 PM
And there's nothing to say it takes as much energy as a flash step does.

Except for the fact that fodders are using Shunpo casually and that Ichigo never once complained or said something about the stamina /spirit power needed for a flash step, while saying that the super hiyori walker is consuming a crapload of spirit power, which is the purpose of the whole machine.

Even then, 400+ chapters later when he's improved a loooooooooooooooot, saying he can't go shunpo for a week straight when he said so himself despite all of this is rather stupid.

Rax
08-23-2015, 12:18 PM
And that doesn't change the fact there's never been a case in the entire series of people using flash step over huge periods of time like multiple days straight and being just fine.

Also using a calc to get the distance from the SS to the Royal Palace then calcing up another speed from there is calc stacking.

Ichiryuu
08-23-2015, 12:19 PM
And that doesn't change the fact there's never been a case in the entire series of people using flash step over huge periods of time like multiple days straight and being just fine.

Except when Ichigo was going down from the Soul Palace and there being statements all over

Rax
08-23-2015, 12:24 PM
He was free falling for the most part.

And the week statement was down a coiled flight of stairs.

You're also using calc stacking to get the speeds for it.

Ichiryuu
08-23-2015, 12:31 PM
He was free falling for the most part.

And the week statement was down a coiled flight of stairs.

You're also using calc stacking to get the speeds for it.

I'm not doing anything, I'm just arguing the fact that he can or cannot do shunpo for a week straight.

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/bleach/555/14.png

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/bleach/581/12.png


Why are you saying that he was mostly free-falling that's so baseless, he's shown doing shunpo plenty here.

Rax
08-23-2015, 12:39 PM
He used it right outside of the barrier :psyduck

Y
08-23-2015, 12:45 PM
Because he stopped by to talk :psyduck

R
08-23-2015, 12:47 PM
rax and bs

:tom

Rax
08-23-2015, 01:37 PM
He stopped to talk in mid fall? :psyduck

He did that shit right at the end of his fall as you can see the barrier in the scan

Y
08-23-2015, 01:42 PM
Read the goddamn chapter Rax.

black star
08-23-2015, 01:44 PM
:giogio

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/bleach/217/[M7]Bleach-ch217-11.jpg

Ichigo could walk for 5 straight days on the Super Hiyori Walker which consumed a hell lot of Spirit Power. This was 400+ chapters ago before Ichigo started even to learn controlling his vizard mode.
Assuming He couldn't Shunpo for a week by now which likely takes a lot less energy than the super hiyori walker is the thing that's laughable.

Comparing Shunpo with regular walking :franco

Rax
08-23-2015, 01:47 PM
I did

He was free falling down from the looks of it

There is also the fact you guys are doing this is calc stacking, which is a big no-no

black star
08-23-2015, 01:48 PM
Except when Ichigo was going down from the Soul Palace and there being statements all over

Statement statement. Look everywhere is statements.
Its not reliable unless proven.

And trying to imposed speed of mimihage by assuming it reach Soul palace coz its no longer visible is fucking retarded. You think you can see something that is 3 miles away :hmm

Rax
08-23-2015, 01:52 PM
Kubo is also piss shit with statements being relevant in Bleach

>Ichibei saying he sent Ywach 4000 Ri away
>You can see the soul palace like a mile or two behind where they were

R
08-23-2015, 01:53 PM
Statement statement. Look everywhere is statements.
Its not reliable unless proven.

And trying to imposed speed of mimihage by assuming it reach Soul palace coz its no longer visible is fucking retarded. You think you can see something that is 3 miles away :hmm

blackstar talking about statements yet "proving" his ls naruto wanks with inverse statements :heston

Kane
08-23-2015, 01:55 PM
Tbh Sub relativistic is fair.

The continent level durability makes no sense though.

Y
08-23-2015, 01:57 PM
Tbh Sub relativistic is fair.

The continent level durability makes no sense though.

Gonna change it to Country until we see more, fair?

Rax
08-23-2015, 01:57 PM
No, the speed does not


You're using a calced speed to calc a speed feat, that's entirely calc stacking :giogio

Kane
08-23-2015, 01:57 PM
Gonna change it to Country until we see more, fair?

Sounds good.

black star
08-23-2015, 01:57 PM
blackstar talking about statements yet "proving" his ls naruto wanks with inverse statements :heston
Which inverse statement? :hmm
Fuck that When did I say Naruto is LS? Will you stop this retarded things :geg

Kane
08-23-2015, 01:58 PM
No, the speed does not


You're using a calced speed to calc a speed feat, that's entirely calc stacking :giogio

Was what I did calc stacking?

black star
08-23-2015, 01:58 PM
Tbh Sub relativistic is fair.

The continent level durability makes no sense though.

Sub-relativistics? How :hmm

Rax
08-23-2015, 01:58 PM
Kishi saying Madara's light fang is light speed

Y
08-23-2015, 01:59 PM
That's not relevant at all.

Mimihagi crossed a distance that takes a Shunpo User 168 hours in almost an instant, no matter how you twist it it comes out at sub relativistic or higher.

Kane
08-23-2015, 02:00 PM
Sub-relativistics? How :hmm

The calc I did was assuming a one minute timeframe when in reality its probably closer to 12 seconds.

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:00 PM
Was what I did calc stacking?

The distance of the soul palace and the soul society is used with a time frame of Ichigo's speed over the course of a time frame to get the distance

You're using thst distance to calc another speed feat, thusly using a speed gotten from a calc to get another , which is calc stacking

black star
08-23-2015, 02:00 PM
Kishi saying Madara's light fang is light speed

Kishi also said Haku is LS, so we gonna accept that coz its a statement in the manga :tom

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:01 PM
That's not relevant at all.

Mimihagi crossed a distance that takes a Shunpo User 168 days in almost an instant, no matter how you twist it it comes out at sub relativistic or higher.

Where are you pulling 168 days from?


There's also no known speed for "a regular shunpo user"

Y
08-23-2015, 02:02 PM
Meant to say hours.

black star
08-23-2015, 02:02 PM
That's not relevant at all.

Mimihagi crossed a distance that takes a Shunpo User 168 days in almost an instant, no matter how you twist it it comes out at sub relativistic or higher.
How do you conclude that he cross that distance instantly? :hmm

Kane
08-23-2015, 02:02 PM
The distance of the soul palace and the soul society is used with a time frame of Ichigo's speed over the course of a time frame to get the distance

You're using thst distance to calc another speed feat, thusly using a speed gotten from a calc to get another , which is calc stacking

How else are you meant to get the distance?

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:03 PM
Irrelevant to getting the distance, what you're doing is still complete calc stacking

black star
08-23-2015, 02:04 PM
The calc I did was assuming a one minute timeframe when in reality its probably closer to 12 seconds.
How can we know that mimihage take only 1 min? It probably take much more. We cannot calc speed that way at all.

Y
08-23-2015, 02:05 PM
How do you conclude that he cross that distance instantly? :hmm

http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9...?v=51425267067 (http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9/58-617.0/compressed/n007.jpg?v=51425267067)
http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9...?v=51425267067 (http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9/58-617.0/compressed/n008.jpg?v=51425267067)
http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9...?v=51425267067 (http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9/58-617.0/compressed/n009.jpg?v=51425267067)
http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9...?v=51425267067 (http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9/58-617.0/compressed/n010.jpg?v=51425267067)

The timeframe for that is a few seconds at best. Mind you that Mimihagi already reached the soul king in panel 2 since Urahara mentioned that the quaking stopped, meaning Mimihagi already held the balance in the Soul Kings place.

Kane
08-23-2015, 02:06 PM
How can we know that mimihage take only 1 min? It probably take much more. We cannot calc speed that way at all.

It probably did not take more than twelve seconds.

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:06 PM
Irrelevant as calc stacking isn't allowed and there's no known area of what we'd be able to classify as an average flash step user Since we only ever see upper tier people doing it

black star
08-23-2015, 02:07 PM
How else are you meant to get the distance?

Its simply unreliable source to calc the distance. We should wait till we get much more accurate info. And that timeframe = fuck off.

Y
08-23-2015, 02:07 PM
Having Black Star and Rax at once is worse than I imagined.

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:09 PM
You trying to bitch your way into a relavistic bleach character is laughable

There's no known distance between the two nor is there any decent easy to find one

Kane
08-23-2015, 02:09 PM
Its simply unreliable source to calc the distance. We should wait till we get much more accurate info. And that timeframe = fuck off.

You're actually joking if you think twelve seconds isn't reasonable.

Y
08-23-2015, 02:10 PM
Except the distance accepted on every forum I could find so far, right? You trying to downplay any feat that is not from Fairy Tail is just as laughable.

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:12 PM
You realize getting a distance from a speed calc then trying to apply it to another speed calc is fucking calc stacking?

You also have nothing for any bit of Bleach calcs here since there's no scaling, something that means almost all calcs from NF are unusable

black star
08-23-2015, 02:13 PM
http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9...?v=51425267067 (http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9/58-617.0/compressed/n007.jpg?v=51425267067)
http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9...?v=51425267067 (http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9/58-617.0/compressed/n008.jpg?v=51425267067)
http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9...?v=51425267067 (http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9/58-617.0/compressed/n009.jpg?v=51425267067)
http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9...?v=51425267067 (http://a.mangatown.com/store/manga/9/58-617.0/compressed/n010.jpg?v=51425267067)

The timeframe for that is a few seconds at best. Mind you that Mimihagi already reached the soul king in panel 2 since Urahara mentioned that the quaking stopped, meaning Mimihagi already held the balance in the Soul Kings place.

I am not seeing hows that only few seconds. That's like three page.

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:14 PM
There's absolutely zero time frame there in that bleach feat

Kane
08-23-2015, 02:15 PM
I am not seeing hows that only few seconds. That's like three page.

How long would you say it took?

black star
08-23-2015, 02:15 PM
You're actually joking if you think twelve seconds isn't reasonable.

I have check through the scans Y provided, I don't find how is that time frame reasonable. Do you have anything that can be use to find thhe time like a conversation or any events? :hmm

Kane
08-23-2015, 02:15 PM
There's absolutely zero time frame there in that bleach feat

Assuming timeframes is ok.

black star
08-23-2015, 02:16 PM
How long would you say it took?

As I have said I don't find anything to get time frame there.

Y
08-23-2015, 02:16 PM
The fight between Yhwach and crew happened. Seretei was also falling apart. All of that stopped in the very next page and the fight was at the exact same stage we left of.

Urahara also reacting almost instantly.

Theres no way this took more than a few seconds.

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:17 PM
And assuming a distance and a time frame at the same time isn't

.scaling isn't allowed, so how allowed re you even getting allowed a distance when you have zero speed calcs to go off of?

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And there's no known distance at all

Kane
08-23-2015, 02:18 PM
As I have said I don't find anything to get time frame there.

Just guess

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:20 PM
Waiting on how you're even getting a distance traveled

black star
08-23-2015, 02:22 PM
Flaws this calc has are
1. Assuming distance based on an ambiguous statement of Ichigo
2. Assuming timeframe
3. Assuming shunpo has constant speed and he can goes for days without tiring.

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Just guess

Guessing on a calc :geg

Kane
08-23-2015, 02:25 PM
Flaws this calc has are
1. Assuming distance based on an ambiguous statement of Ichigo
2. Assuming timeframe
3. Assuming shunpo has constant speed and he can goes for days without tiring.

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Guessing on a calc :geg

:giogio

Do you know how many times we have assumed a timeframe on here?

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The more I think about it the more flaws there are in the calc.

The Shunpo statement is for average users, but we used somebody notable to get the speed.

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:26 PM
Truth for facts is that the speed for Ywach is BS

Pop MHS in there and stop

black star
08-23-2015, 02:31 PM
:giogio

Do you know how many times we have assumed a timeframe on here?

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The more I think about it the more flaws there are in the calc.

The Shunpo statement is for average users, but we used somebody notable to get the speed.

Yes we did assumption but we use a fair point of reference but here I haven't found any. Among the shunpo users Byakuya was really a notable one yet he is only mach 14 by calc. Ichigo was able to outmatch him with his bankai only not shunpo.

Kane
08-23-2015, 02:32 PM
Truth for facts is that the speed for Ywach is BS

Pop MHS in there and stop

Yeah it makes no sense to say Byakuya's speed is average.

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:33 PM
Byakuya is a Shunpo master pretty sure

R
08-23-2015, 02:43 PM
Which inverse statement? :hmm
Fuck that When did I say Naruto is LS? Will you stop this retarded things :geg

obito being LS :tom

black star
08-23-2015, 02:44 PM
So far I haven't got anything that would put anyone in Bleach at MHS aside from scaling.

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obito being LS :tom

Stop this kid. When did I say obito is LS? Such poor kid trying to gain attention by bringing some craps :mc

R
08-23-2015, 02:47 PM
Stop this kid. When did I say obito is LS? Such poor kid trying to gain attention by bringing some craps :mc


ok so to make this clear:

do you or do you not think obito is LS?

:)

Rax
08-23-2015, 02:49 PM
Not when we have ZERO idea how fast the average shunpo user is :psyduck

black star
08-24-2015, 04:50 AM
Even if we don't have speed of average shunpo user, but we did have one of the best shunpo user Byakuya which is calc to be mach 14. I clearly don't see a MHS in Bleach here. Only way to put them at MHS is scaling

Genbu
08-24-2015, 06:54 AM
There are a few available methods for quantifying this feat

1) Mach 14 for Ichigo is a staple. I see some people are bringing up Byakuya as a shunpo master. This is wrong. Byakuya at that point was a somewhat above average speedster, he's literally the slowest of that class and Shikai Ichigo matched his speed every step of the way. Let me make this clear, guys like SS Ichigo, Pre-Skip Byakuya and other junior captains are fodder to the fodder in the current arc, while Current Ichigo sits firmly at the highest tier. As for whether he can maintain shunpo, he obviously can. Ichigo was running on the contraption the Vizards set for him that drained reiatsu, and he could last for days. Isshin and Ichigo lasted months of training in the dangai, the former was strapped to another device that drained reiatsu. Using Shunpo for a week is nothing(unless you've forgotten a half-dead and reiatsu depleted Byakuya could shunpo 100s of meters out of and back to Sokyoku Hill after he lost to ichigo) especially when Kirinji expected Ichigo to be capable of doing so anyway. Mach 14 shouldn't be contested, its a definite low-ball.

2) That said, to use Mach 14 in this instance is also calc-stacking and cannot fly. You're using the speed of one calc to find the distance in another, that's the definition of calc-stacking. You're better off just assigning quantifiable speeds like plain supersonic (Mach 1) to Ichigo's shunpo since there's evidence of that kind of speed without involving calcs. That would still get hundreds of thousands of kilometers between the Royal Palace and Soul Society. Mimihagi took seconds to reach there (so did Yhwach's Auschwalen) and you'd get some fraction of the speed of light-relavistic speeds.

Rax
08-24-2015, 07:04 AM
Mach 14 is not a staple.

It was used for a Shunpo master for one

And it's a result obtained via pixel scaling, so it can't be used here.

black star
08-24-2015, 07:20 AM
In the end we still cannot quantify anything for Ywach.

Y
08-24-2015, 07:50 AM
Mach 1 = 340.29 m / s

168 hours = 604.800 seconds

604.800s*340m/s = 205.632.000m

Low End
1 Minute = 60 seconds
205.632.000m/60s = 34.27.200m/s

Mach 10080.
@TheBaldHeadedNegro (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=6608); :zaru

That's using measly Mach 1 for the speed of a Shunpo User.

black star
08-24-2015, 08:55 AM
:whew

Genbu
08-24-2015, 09:04 AM
Mach 14 is not a staple.

It was used for a Shunpo master for oney
And it's a result obtained via pixel scaling, so it can't be used here.


As usual, your powers of selective reading are OP.


Prove to me that Byakuya is a shunpo master and why it is Shikai Ichigo can keep up with him and blitz him with Bankai or , why Rusty Yoruichi and Soifon (by proxy of Yoruichi) can outspeed him, while Stark, Ulquiorra and Barragan can blitz them and why Mask De Masculine can blitz guys as fast as them with only a fraction of his fullpower.

Get it Rax, I haven't even scratched the surface of top-tier speedsters. If Byakuya's a shunpo master, fucking every relevant character in Current Bleach is as well. Way to shoot yourself in the foot. Mach 14 can't be used anyway because its calc-stacking, you'd know I already said that if you weren't so pitifully threatened by fictional powerlevels boosting Bleach above your precious FT. Which it already is, fortunately. Supersonic speeds however can be and that still places Bleach into high end MHS or realivistic territory. Stay salty

Y
08-24-2015, 09:20 AM
I used Mach 1, that should be more than acceptable.

black star
08-24-2015, 09:33 AM
Mach 1 = 340.29 m / s

168 hours = 604.800 seconds

604.800s*340m/s = 205.632.000m

Low End
1 Minute = 60 seconds
205.632.000m/60s = 34.27.200m/s

Mach 10080.
@TheBaldHeadedNegro (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=6608); :zaru

That's using measly Mach 1 for the speed of a Shunpo User.

168 hours? :hoho

Y
08-24-2015, 09:34 AM
168 hours is the timeframe a shinigami shunpo users takes to cross the distance :geg

That was straight up stated.

black star
08-24-2015, 09:39 AM
You mean no rest, no eating, no poooops :hoho

Y
08-24-2015, 09:42 AM
Are you serious right now?

http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/62-555.0/compressed/h008.jpg

(http://mangafox.me/manga/bleach/v62/c555/9.html)http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/62-555.0/compressed/h009.jpg (http://mangafox.me/manga/bleach/v62/c555/10.html)


(http://mangafox.me/manga/bleach/v62/c555/9.html)

Rax
08-24-2015, 09:53 AM
Assuming a speed for it is a very strong and definite NO.

That shit's never gonna happen.

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Keep in mind we only see the upper folks of the SS.

The average user is gonna be fodder tier shits

Y
08-24-2015, 09:55 AM
The squad 0 member said go at your usual speed, Ichigos pre-training speed. Which is bound to be miles above mach 1.

Rax
08-24-2015, 09:58 AM
And without any form of calcs you have zero numbers

And using a guessing a number of speed to guess a distance to guess a time frame is NOT gonna work :lmao

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Also it was a week going down the damn stairs

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Also that just says to go at his normal speed

Where is someone getting a week of straight flash stepping from and not just normal running speeds? :hmm

Y
08-24-2015, 09:58 AM
Not guessing a distance nor a timeframe with this method.

If you're trying to tell me Post Dangai Ichigo is not Mach 1 then you're delusional.

Rax
08-24-2015, 10:02 AM
Since when was Dangai Ichigo the normal Ichigo? :lmao

Let's see

You're guessing a speed he'd be going at

To get a distance of the SS to the Royal Palace

Then you're using a time frame you've guessed to get the hand

You're not even taking into account that the week was with going down the stairs

And he said normal speed. I saw nothing about him non-stop using flash step.

FAAAAAAAAAAAAR to many assumptions and bull fuckery in this,

Y
08-24-2015, 10:08 AM
Post Dangai Rax, please just try and read for one. The speed is massively lowballed and highly likely far higher than that.

As is the time it took the hand to reach Yhwach.

Rax
08-24-2015, 10:43 AM
But hd lost everything after he mugetsu

So you have no idea of his speeds

You've got far to many assumptions

Y
08-24-2015, 11:04 AM
He regained his power, it was so strong that the force of his sword mimicked a getsuga tenshou.

Kane
08-24-2015, 11:12 AM
There are a few available methods for quantifying this feat

1) Mach 14 for Ichigo is a staple. I see some people are bringing up Byakuya as a shunpo master. This is wrong. Byakuya at that point was a somewhat above average speedster, he's literally the slowest of that class and Shikai Ichigo matched his speed every step of the way. Let me make this clear, guys like SS Ichigo, Pre-Skip Byakuya and other junior captains are fodder to the fodder in the current arc, while Current Ichigo sits firmly at the highest tier. As for whether he can maintain shunpo, he obviously can. Ichigo was running on the contraption the Vizards set for him that drained reiatsu, and he could last for days. Isshin and Ichigo lasted months of training in the dangai, the former was strapped to another device that drained reiatsu. Using Shunpo for a week is nothing(unless you've forgotten a half-dead and reiatsu depleted Byakuya could shunpo 100s of meters out of and back to Sokyoku Hill after he lost to ichigo) especially when Kirinji expected Ichigo to be capable of doing so anyway. Mach 14 shouldn't be contested, its a definite low-ball.

2) That said, to use Mach 14 in this instance is also calc-stacking and cannot fly. You're using the speed of one calc to find the distance in another, that's the definition of calc-stacking. You're better off just assigning quantifiable speeds like plain supersonic (Mach 1) to Ichigo's shunpo since there's evidence of that kind of speed without involving calcs. That would still get hundreds of thousands of kilometers between the Royal Palace and Soul Society. Mimihagi took seconds to reach there (so did Yhwach's Auschwalen) and you'd get some fraction of the speed of light-relavistic speeds.
Can you prove that Byakuya's use of shunpo is seriously average or below average?

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The squad 0 member said go at your usual speed, Ichigos pre-training speed. Which is bound to be miles above mach 1.
Can you prove that the average Shunpo user has Mach 1 Shunpo speed?

Y
08-24-2015, 11:14 AM
Can you prove that Byakuya's use of shunpo is seriously average or below average?

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Can you prove that the average Shunpo user has Mach 1 Shunpo speed?

Unless you think Post Fullbring Arc Ichigos Shunpo is only mach 1 it doesnt matter

Bob
08-24-2015, 12:29 PM
is it not possible to use mach 64 and 12 hours, the time it would take ichigo at max speed or somewhat close to it.

Y
08-24-2015, 12:35 PM
That would be calc stacking.

black star
08-24-2015, 01:37 PM
Still nothing to prove Ywach's speed.

Kane
08-24-2015, 03:36 PM
Unless you think Post Fullbring Arc Ichigos Shunpo is only mach 1 it doesnt matter
You realize average would take into account the fodder shinigami's shunpo as well?

Y
08-24-2015, 03:37 PM
You realize average would take into account the fodder shinigami's shunpo as well?

The statement of 168 hours was never about the average shunpo user, it was about Ichigos speed before the Royal Guard training

Kane
08-24-2015, 03:44 PM
The statement of 168 hours was never about the average shunpo user, it was about Ichigos speed before the Royal Guard training
:khaled

Could you pull it up?

I was under the impression it was the average shunpo user.

Y
08-24-2015, 03:45 PM
:khaled

Could you pull it up?

I was under the impression it was the average shunpo user.

Sure.

http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/62-555.0/compressed/h008.jpg

Kane
08-24-2015, 03:47 PM
Sure.

http://a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/62-555.0/compressed/h008.jpg
You get there by going down the staircase?

Rax
08-24-2015, 03:48 PM
That's of proof he's stronger than Dangai Ichigo

That first fodder sternritter being > Aizen would be retarded

Y
08-24-2015, 03:50 PM
You get there by going down the staircase?

Ichigo went down there at "breakneck" speeds, and the RG said they underestimated him. It took him 9 hours. Walking down there would take way longer than a week/168 hours.



That's of proof he's stronger than Dangai Ichigo

That first fodder sternritter being > Aizen would be retarded

No one ever claimed that.

Kane
08-24-2015, 03:52 PM
Ichigo went down there at "breakneck" speeds, and the RG said they underestimated him. It took him 9 hours. Walking down there would take way longer than a week/168 hours.




No one ever claimed that.
The number is inflated. The staircase is curvy and doesn't go straight down, and as such the distance you travel increases, but the displacement remains the same.

Rax
08-24-2015, 03:52 PM
He regained his power, it was so strong that the force of his sword mimicked a getsuga tenshou.

You did


Facts are there's no way you're getting a speed for either feat


Far to many assumptions and BS

Y
08-24-2015, 03:53 PM
The number is inflated. The staircase is curvy and doesn't go straight down, and as such the distance you travel increases, but the displacement remains the same.

Ichigo flew inbetween the stairs, the statement of 168 would make absolutely no sense if he would actually have to walk on the stairs.


You did


Facts are there's no way you're getting a speed for either feat


Far to many assumptions and BS

I did not.

Kane
08-24-2015, 03:54 PM
Ichigo flew inbetween the stairs, the statement of 168 would make absolutely no sense if he would actually have to walk on the stairs.



I did not.
Wait, so now instead of Shunpo he is flying?

Y
08-24-2015, 03:56 PM
Wait, so now instead of Shunpo he is flying?

He's shown using Shunpo while flying down there.

black star
08-24-2015, 03:56 PM
Ichigo flew inbetween the stairs, the statement of 168 would make absolutely no sense if he would actually have to walk on the stairs.



I did not.

It said walk, so that basically means walking through the stairs.

Kane
08-24-2015, 04:01 PM
He's shown using Shunpo while flying down there.
I just read the chapter, looking at the context he is talking about the shunpo of regular shinigami, if use 168, then you use fodder speed. If you use 9 hours, then you use Ichigo's speed.

Y
08-24-2015, 04:02 PM
I just read the chapter, looking at the context he is talking about the shunpo of regular shinigami, if use 168, then you use fodder speed. If you use 9 hours, then you use Ichigo's speed.

How is he talking about fodder speed in the context? He straight up said going at your usual pace, which turns out he underestimated Ichigo immensely.

Kane
08-24-2015, 07:08 PM
How is he talking about fodder speed in the context? He straight up said going at your usual pace, which turns out he underestimated Ichigo immensely.
Alright so Ichigo says if he goes at his normal pace it would take a week.

Going at breakneck speeds he gets there in nine hours or whatever.

Are you assuming Mach 1 for Ichigo's normal speed or his breakneck speed for the calc?

Y
08-24-2015, 07:14 PM
Alright so Ichigo says if he goes at his normal pace it would take a week.

Going at breakneck speeds he gets there in nine hours or whatever.

Are you assuming Mach 1 for Ichigo's normal speed or his breakneck speed for the calc?

I'd be assuming that for his normal one.

At this point though, High end MHS+ is fine. I still think Yhwach is at least sub rela but eh.

Kane
08-24-2015, 07:26 PM
I'd be assuming that for his normal one.

At this point though, High end MHS+ is fine. I still think Yhwach is at least sub rela but eh.
Personally I think he's probably sub relativistic, but I don't see how you could prove that without calc stacking/assumptions.

Y
08-24-2015, 07:31 PM
We don't have any true Soul King Yhwach feats. We'll see.

Genbu
08-25-2015, 12:36 AM
Can you prove that Byakuya's use of shunpo is seriously average or below average?

Why would I need to prove a negative? The ones advocating that Byakuya is a shunpo master are the ones who require evidence that he is, not the other way around. That's Burden of Proof 101

For posterity? He's average because he'd get blitzed by a shitton of characters weaker than Current Ichigo.


Can you prove that the average Shunpo user has Mach 1 Shunpo speed?

What shunpo user? The context is squarely about Ichigo's normal shunpo speed. Even shit like Base Yammy's bala break the sound barrier.

Kane
08-25-2015, 12:42 AM
Why would I need to prove a negative? The ones advocating that Byakuya is a shunpo master are the ones who require evidence that he is, not the other way around. That's Burden of Proof 101

For posterity? He's average because he'd get blitzed by a shitton of characters weaker than Current Ichigo.



What shunpo user? The context is squarely about Ichigo's normal shunpo speed. Even shit like Base Yammy's bala break the sound barrier.
http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Hoh%C5%8D

Genbu
08-25-2015, 12:52 AM
You mean the wikipedia terminology made by fanon

The same wiki that lists Byakuya as a master but fucking Ichibei, Ichigo (the guy who blitzed Byakuya, you might have heard of him) and Nimaiya as experts in the same vein as scrubs like Hitsugaya and Vice-Captains? Yeah no.

Evidence from the manga will be nice.

Kane
08-25-2015, 12:54 AM
You mean the wikipedia terminology made by fanon

The same wiki that lists Byakuya as a master but fucking Ichibei, Ichigo (the guy who blitzed Byakuya, you might have heard of him) and Nimaiya as experts in the same vein as scrubs like Hitsugaya and Vice-Captains? Yeah no.

Evidence from the manga will be nice.
Blitzing somebody doesn't mean anything, Shunpo doesn't increase your reactions afaik.

Genbu
08-25-2015, 12:57 AM
Only your reactions will always be faster than your movements, that includes shunpo or you'd never be able to control where you're going.

When Ichigo blitzed his ass, that means his movement speed was better than Byakuya's. Common sense.

And again, Ichibei and Nimaiya.

Kane
08-25-2015, 01:00 AM
Only your reactions will always be faster than your movements, that includes shunpo or you'd never be able to control where you're going.

When Ichigo blitzed his ass, that means his movement speed was better than Byakuya's. Common sense.

And again, Ichibei and Nimaiya.
Let me flip it, show me manga evidence that shows that Shunpo increases your reactions.

Genbu
08-25-2015, 01:06 AM
Do I also require manga evidence to prove Bleach characters can visually see with their eyes?

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Easily one of the most incredulous argumentations I've ever seen

Do you even wonder why it is, when people calc XXX at Mach xxx speed, they automatically attribute the same value for their reactions too?

Here's why


your reactions will always be faster than your movements, that includes shunpo or you'd never be able to control where you're going.

When Ichigo blitzed his ass, that means his movement speed was better than Byakuya's. Common sense.


Shunpo or whatever movement shit you're using does not increase your reactions. Your reactions are better than your movements by default unless there's evidence suggesting you can't see where you're going or you're on some kind of auto-pilot

Kane
08-25-2015, 01:07 AM
Do I also require manga evidence to prove Bleach characters can visually see with their eyes?
So you have nothing mate?

I guess Enel's lightning travel speed means he has lightning speed reactions as well.

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Do I also require manga evidence to prove Bleach characters can visually see with their eyes?

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Easily one of the most incredulous argumentations I've ever seen

Do you even wonder why it is, when people calc XXX at Mach xxx speed, they automatically attribute the same value for their reactions too?

Here's why



Shunpo or whatever movement shit you're using does not increase your reactions. Your reactions are better than your movements by default unless there's evidence suggesting you can't see where you're going or you're on some kind of auto-pilot
MHS Enel :hhh

Genbu
08-25-2015, 01:09 AM
So you have nothing mate?

I guess Enel's lightning travel speed means he has lightning speed reactions as well.
Might want to read up on that again.

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Since you're clearly on the short side of the intelligence list, I'll explain this slowly.

Can Byakuya react to his own shunpo?

Kane
08-25-2015, 01:15 AM
Might want to read up on that again.

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Since you're clearly on the short side of the intelligence list, I'll explain this slowly.

Can Byakuya react to his own shunpo?
Keep trying to demean folks, if there is one thing I can tell you is that it doesn't make you clever in the least.

Regardless, if movement speed = reactions, that means stuff like Beerus being MFTL extends to his reactions.

Also, you can see something and still not be able to react to it.

Genbu
08-25-2015, 01:20 AM
Regardless, if movement speed = reactions, that means stuff like Beerus being MFTL extends to his reactions.

And why wouldn't it? You don't seem to get is that if people cannot react to their own movements, they cannot cognitively control their attacks. You brought up Enel right? Show me scans where Enel was able to fight and attack while moving at lightning speed


Also, you can see something and still not be able to react to it.

That...right there is the point. Thank you.

If you can see an attack but cannot physically react to it, that means your mind and visually perception is working faster than your body's ability to process that information. Clear case of why reactions are faster than your bodily movements.

Ergo, if Ichigo can blitz Byakuya so hard that he can't see him coming from several meters away, why would his body have a better chance at doing so?

Kane
08-25-2015, 01:28 AM
And why wouldn't it? You don't seem to get is that if people cannot react to their own movements, they cannot cognitively control their attacks. You brought up Enel right? Show me scans where Enel was able to fight and attack while moving at lightning speed



That...right there is the point. Thank you.

If you can see an attack but cannot physically react to it, that means your mind and visually perception is working faster than your body's ability to process that information. Clear case of why reactions are faster than your bodily movements.

Ergo, if Ichigo can blitz Byakuya so hard that he can't see him coming from several meters away, why would his body have a better chance at doing so?
Alright, fair enough :kanyeshrug

You have it the wrong way around, if your mind can percieve stuff moving at 340 m/s, but your body can not move out of the way, that means your reactions are whatever the body is. What good is perception if you aren't able to move your body fast enough out of the way? You could see something but still be unable to move out of the way, hence your reactions are still slower than whatever is coming at you.

Reactions and movement speed are all physical traits, being able to percieve something does not give you that level of reactions.

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This is pointless anyhow, seeing as Byakuya's speed with covering the hill is subsonic.

On top of that I already agreed that Yhwach was more likely to be sub relativistic than not.

Genbu
08-25-2015, 01:34 AM
Alright, fair enough :kanyeshrug

You have it the wrong way around, if your mind can percieve stuff moving at 340 m/s, but your body can not move out of the way, that means your reactions are whatever the body is. What good is perception if you aren't able to move your body fast enough out of the way? You could see something but still be unable to move out of the way, hence your reactions are still slower than whatever is coming at you.

Reactions and movement speed are all physical traits, being able to percieve something does not give you that level of reactions.

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This is pointless anyhow, seeing as Byakuya's speed with covering the hill is subsonic.

On top of that I already agreed that Yhwach was more likely to be sub relativistic than not.


I think you're confusing reactions with reflexes, honestly. Reflex is the (mostly) unconscious reaction of the body to stimulus. Reaction is just mental/visual recognition.

black star
08-25-2015, 01:55 AM
You mean the wikipedia terminology made by fanon

The same wiki that lists Byakuya as a master but fucking Ichibei, Ichigo (the guy who blitzed Byakuya, you might have heard of him) and Nimaiya as experts in the same vein as scrubs like Hitsugaya and Vice-Captains? Yeah no.

Evidence from the manga will be nice.

Are you implying Ichigo, Ichibei are average shunpo user?

Genbu
08-25-2015, 04:08 AM
No

but the wiki is

and that's why they're flat out unreliable, glad to see you agree.

Y
08-25-2015, 04:13 AM
TheBaldHeadedNegro; update the directory? :psyduck

Rax
08-25-2015, 05:33 AM
No.

He's not Continent level :lmao

black star
08-25-2015, 05:40 AM
I think you're confusing reactions with reflexes, honestly. Reflex is the (mostly) unconscious reaction of the body to stimulus. Reaction is just mental/visual recognition.

What you are speaking correct in rl but that doesn't apply in fictions. Thor can move at MFTL yet he constantly got tag by street levelers.

Makenzye
08-25-2015, 06:37 AM
What you are speaking correct in rl but that doesn't apply in fictions. Thor can move at MFTL yet he constantly got tag by street levelers.

Theres a Thor in Bleach?

black star
08-25-2015, 06:40 AM
Theres a Thor in Bleach?

Can't you comprehend what I am saying?

Y
08-25-2015, 06:40 AM
:lmao

Makenzye
08-25-2015, 06:41 AM
Can't you comprehend what I am saying?

I didn't bother reading it. I saw Thor there and didn't recognize a Thor in Bleach.

Can't you answer the question?

black star
08-25-2015, 10:09 AM
I didn't bother reading it. I saw Thor there and didn't recognize a Thor in Bleach.

Can't you answer the question?

B4 asking first read what people are talking about. At least that would make you not sound retarded :hoho

Kane
08-25-2015, 11:07 AM
@TheBaldHeadedNegro (http://www.millenniumforums.com/member.php?u=6608); update the directory? :psyduck
Yeah, no problem.

Makenzye
08-25-2015, 01:25 PM
B4 asking first read what people are talking about. At least that would make you not sound retarded :hoho


No real interest. You going to answer the question or middle around in perceived intelligence?


Ah, never mind. I just thread searched for Thor given the difficulty.

What I was really thinking when I saw your post is that I hoped there wasn't yet another person out there who believes Marvel's Thor is faster than the speed of light. I figured, "Nah. This is Bleach. The Odinson has no place here and would be wonky at best." Unfortunately the search makes it look like there's a grave lack of knowledge of the son of Odin and Gaea. But I'm sort of hoping it isn't him, because like I said before this would constitute a very poor understanding of the character and I'm hoping I simply don't remember a character in Bleach named Thor.

Now, again. Is this a Thor from Bleach? Or are my fears correct?

Bob
09-12-2015, 02:11 PM
this is kinda late but...
How about we use bullet speed for the average shunpo speed (for ichigo anyway), I mean we have seen soi-fon casually intercept bullets from bg9. Use that speed with 7 days to get the distance.

Y
11-04-2015, 06:49 PM
You could've given us this upgrade so much sooner... Would've saved me a load of breath too.

Shameless copy and pasting.

Narration:(赤ん坊が持っていたのは“魂を分け与える力”だった)
(What the child possessed was the power to “impart his soul”)

Narration:(赤ん坊に触れれば その度に魂を分け与えられ)
(Every time someone touched the child, a part of his soul was imparted to them)
Narration:(一人の魂では埋められなかった傷が癒えていく)
(And those wounds which could not be recouped by a lone soul would gradually recover)
Narration:(それと同時に)
(Simultaneously)

Narration:(その者の傷が癒える間にその者が得た知識や努力して身につけた能力開花した才能は全 て)
(All the knowledge they acquired, all the abilities they gained through their efforts, all the talents that blossomed while they were recovering)
Narration:(与えられた赤ん坊の魂の欠片の中に刻まれていった)
(Became engraved on the soul fragments imparted to them by the babe)

Narration:(そして)
(And then, when that person died)

Page 03
Narration:(それらは全てその者が死ぬと同時に)
(All those fragments)
Narration:(赤ん坊の許へと還っていった)
(Would return to the babe)

For this baby possessed the power to share out his own soul. // Anyone who touched the baby received a fragment of his soul... // ...and those fragments healed the wounds that their own souls alone could not. // At the same time... // As their wounds slowly healed, the knowledge they had gained, the abilities they had learned through great effort, the skills they had awakened within themselves... // ...were all imprinted upon the fragments of the baby’s soul that they had received. // Until...]

3
[Text: At the moment of their deaths... // ...those fragments returned to the baby.


Bottom line:

Yhwach does gain all of the Sternritter abilities.

Y
11-04-2015, 10:11 PM
This is amazing :hhh

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:13 PM
Mimihagi is a Sterrnritter?

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:13 PM
Mimihagi is a Sterrnritter?
how is that related? o.O

Y
11-04-2015, 10:13 PM
No, but he absorbed Mimihagi.

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:15 PM
That doesn't mean he gets the same powers to the exact.

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:15 PM
That doesn't mean he gets the same powers to the exact.
What are you implying?

Y
11-04-2015, 10:17 PM
Bullshit. He first stated he's far superior and then even absorbed the thing when he earlier displayed the ability to make other abilities his own. Stawp it.

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:18 PM
Bullshit. He first stated he's far superior and then even absorbed the thing when he earlier displayed the ability to make other abilities his own. Stawp it.
Also we saw mimihagi stabilizing the realms, I believe after yhwach absorbed it he also stabilized it

Y
11-04-2015, 10:20 PM
Also we saw mimihagi stabilizing the realms, I believe after yhwach absorbed it he also stabilized it

Of course. Thats so obvious it almost hurts.

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:21 PM
Of course. Thats so obvious it almost hurts.
had to say it, he was asking if mimihagi was a sternritter :kanyeshrug

Y
11-04-2015, 10:22 PM
had to say it, he was asking if mimihagi was a sternritter :kanyeshrug

:mihawk

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:25 PM
>Stated he's superior

Natsu stated Sting's roar was a laser

Time to get to work :vegeta

Y
11-04-2015, 10:25 PM
Someone hold me.

and hush from my Yhwach thread with this FT stuff.

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:26 PM
It doesn't really have to be stated anyway, I mean he is the son of "god"

Y
11-04-2015, 10:27 PM
It doesn't really have to be stated anyway, I mean he is the son of "god"

Let Rax do Rax shenanigans. Generates the least bullshit at the end of the day.

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:28 PM
Bleh

Compromise with me with 2 minutes? :grr

Y
11-04-2015, 10:30 PM
You know the answer.

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:30 PM
Bleh

Compromise with me with 2 minutes? :grr

bruh how can you even say minutes, its the same deal with igneel stuff, there was a fight going on before mimihagi went up then when it was there everyone was in the same position...

Y
11-04-2015, 10:31 PM
Let it go~

Let it gooo~

W
11-04-2015, 10:31 PM
>Stated he's superior

Natsu stated Sting's roar was a laser

Time to get to work :vegeta
Are you retarded? I'm dead serious, are you a fucking retard

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:32 PM
>Compromised a time frame with you for dragons feats
>You won't even compromise for this

Come on mang :smh

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:32 PM
Are you retarded? I'm dead serious, are you a fucking retard

He already answered that, look at his first question :franco

Y
11-04-2015, 10:32 PM
It's already a ridiculous lowball :geg

Going lower than that is straight up stupid.

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:33 PM
Are you retarded? I'm dead serious, are you a fucking retard

Just saiyan :lbj

Naw, Sting's magic has been stated as to many different shits

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It's already a ridiculous lowball :geg

Because you say it when there there's no shown time frame?

Just go to 2 minutes so I can let this go and go onto the next thing :argh

W
11-04-2015, 10:34 PM
Jesus take the wheel........

Y
11-04-2015, 10:34 PM
I'm not going any lower and I don't care if you keep going because its staying where it is :lmao

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:35 PM
So you bitch until a compromise is made for other feats but won't for feats for you preferences?

:smh

Y
11-04-2015, 10:37 PM
Taking things out of context, stay classy

/out

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:38 PM
More like stubborn "Nononono" syndrome.

:geg

W
11-04-2015, 10:40 PM
Wait which version of Yhwach is sub-relativistic? If it's Almighty Yhwach looks like we getting sub-relativistic Aizen and Ichigo :rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:43 PM
I believe it is the A yhwach

Y
11-04-2015, 10:44 PM
Wait which version of Yhwach is sub-relativistic? If it's Almighty Yhwach looks like we getting sub-relativistic Aizen and Ichigo :rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax:rax

Holy shit youre right..

UPDATING AIZEN THA GAWD

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:44 PM
>Mach 55k Dragons when nearly dead and fodder to Acnologia

:LOS

W
11-04-2015, 10:44 PM
Holy shit youre right..

UPDATING AIZEN THA GAWD
Chair Aizen is about to be solos verses.

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:45 PM
>Mach 55k Dragons when nearly dead and fodder to Acnologia

:LOS

Ok, son.

W
11-04-2015, 10:45 PM
>Mach 55k Dragons when nearly dead and fodder to Acnologia

:LOS
How the fuck did you go from Mach 6K to Mach 55K

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:46 PM
Mach 55k is a high end with 5 seconds

Mid end is Mach 27k :datass

W
11-04-2015, 10:46 PM
Holy shit youre right..

UPDATING AIZEN THA GAWD
Shit maybe even prime Yama depending on how his flashback fight with Juha goes...

I'm really reaching

Y
11-04-2015, 10:47 PM
Shit maybe even prime Yama depending on how his flashback fight with Juha goes...

I'm really reaching

I know.

Aizens fair though.

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:48 PM
Aizen >>>>>> Ywach

Bob
11-04-2015, 10:48 PM
Aizen >>>>>> Ywach
depends on the version

W
11-04-2015, 10:48 PM
Either way looks like Bleach is the strongest HST verse :minty

Y
11-04-2015, 10:49 PM
Either way looks like Bleach is the strongest HST verse :minty

Yeah Yhwach can probably win against Kags now.

Only gonna get stronger

Rax
11-04-2015, 10:50 PM
Still not above FT :datass

W
11-04-2015, 10:53 PM
Still not above FT :datass

https://lolcow.farm/pt/src/1442897078585.gif
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Yeah Yhwach can probably win against Kags now.

Only gonna get stronger
Let's aim for 4 Beast limb level U_U

Y
11-04-2015, 10:55 PM
https://lolcow.farm/pt/src/1442897078585.gif

He just had his birthday. Let him have his moment. In a week we're back to HS+ high and MHS+ Top Top Tiers

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We're on the right track. :hhh

W
11-04-2015, 10:57 PM
You right LMAO.

Kane
11-05-2015, 12:34 AM
I'm still off on this calc though, using superhuman stats as a basis for a calc is just generally a big no no.

Y
11-05-2015, 05:38 AM
I'm still off on this calc though, using superhuman stats as a basis for a calc is just generally a big no no.

Bullshit and I told you why. Not that it matters since that would make 2 vs 10.

Rax
11-05-2015, 06:06 AM
Wait, you used super human stats?

We're allowed to do that now?

Y
11-05-2015, 06:09 AM
No for both.

Rax
11-05-2015, 06:15 AM
Okay

So Mach 24-49k Ywach and Mach 27k to Mach 111k Prime Igneel, END, Zeref, and All out Acnologia :hurr

black star
11-05-2015, 06:18 AM
When did Bleach reach continental and sub-relativistic? Did I miss something?

Rax
11-05-2015, 06:19 AM
Bleach is not continental.

black star
11-05-2015, 06:36 AM
This profile just so wrong

Rax
11-05-2015, 06:37 AM
The speed is fine

The DC on the other hand is not.

Y
11-05-2015, 06:43 AM
The speed is fine

The DC on the other hand is not.

Why not? Yhwach lifting Seireitei is still continental in energy.

Rax
11-05-2015, 06:48 AM
And yet he never damaged a single person with said force when fodder was everywhere down there.

And Bob assumed a time frame where it started and it cut away from an entirely unknown lapse of time and Ichigo and Co showing up.

There's also the fact it's not a DC move as it somehow merged buildings together.

black star
11-05-2015, 06:50 AM
When did anyone in Bleach fight at sub-relativistic?
Are we adding travel speed of someone which Ywach has never displayed? :smh

Bob
11-05-2015, 06:50 AM
I used 5 mins :psyduck

Rax
11-05-2015, 06:52 AM
When did anyone in Bleach fight at sub-relativistic?
Are we adding travel speed of someone which Ywach has never displayed? :smh

Technically this is true.

Y
11-05-2015, 06:54 AM
And yet he never damaged a single person with said force when fodder was everywhere down there.

And Bob assumed a time frame where it started and it cut away from an entirely unknown lapse of time and Ichigo and Co showing up.

There's also the fact it's not a DC move as it somehow merged buildings together.

Its potential energy, like Brandish.
That has been accepted to count for DC for ages

black star
11-05-2015, 06:54 AM
Durability, DC and Speed are all mess up.

Rax
11-05-2015, 06:59 AM
So you're accepting Brandish as island level is what you're telling me?

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Durability, DC and Speed are all mess up.

Speed is fine.

The rest are not.

Last time we tried this out it was BS.

The most we got for Bleach in terms of DC is Yamamoto's fire generating high Island level+ levels of energy.

Y
11-05-2015, 07:01 AM
So you're accepting Brandish as island level

Was never against it. Dunno why you think that

Yama came out small country

Rax
11-05-2015, 07:03 AM
No, you used a size that wasn't what his wiki says for weight and height

Using the wiki answers he's outputting 900 GTs, which is high island level :maybe

Bob
11-05-2015, 07:05 AM
(u do actually get small country with kenpachi...)

black star
11-05-2015, 07:05 AM
Yama's was a hyperbole, temperature of sun vaporised a rock on touch and no-effect on atmosphere? LMAO

Nobody in Bleach has fought in sub-relat speed so far and Ywach hasn't display it yet. And he was blitz by Ichibei :lmao

So much for sub-relativistic. I am still waiting. :narutoramen

Y
11-05-2015, 07:08 AM
No, you used a size that wasn't what his wiki says for weight and height

Using the wiki answers he's outputting 900 GTs, which is high island level :maybe

Naw he's still small country with what I'm getting.

Also NF has a couple calcs with him beeing small continent which I find to be bs but eh.

All good now? Going to work

Rax
11-05-2015, 07:14 AM
Show me what you're using.

Kane
11-05-2015, 03:32 PM
No, you used a size that wasn't what his wiki says for weight and height

Using the wiki answers he's outputting 900 GTs, which is high island level :maybe
No that's a load of bullshit

Y
11-05-2015, 03:38 PM
No that's a load of bullshit

It doesnt matter. Kenpachis feat is still small country so Aizen gets scaled to that while Yhwach has his continental feat.

Kane
11-05-2015, 03:39 PM
It doesnt matter. Kenpachis feat is still small country so Aizen gets scaled to that while Yhwach has his continental feat.
Again, this forum agreed upon island+ Kenpachi

Y
11-05-2015, 03:39 PM
Again, this forum agreed upon island+ Kenpachi

Which was before the calc was redone.

Rax
11-05-2015, 03:39 PM
How is Kenpachi's feat small country level?

Calc up the energy to high end fragment something that big.

Kane
11-05-2015, 03:54 PM
Which was before the calc was redone.
Post it.

WILD
11-05-2015, 04:01 PM
Does the calc use pixel scaling?

Y
11-05-2015, 04:11 PM
Does the calc use pixel scaling?

No. Nothing of the sort with lowballed travel speed and timeframe.http://www.millenniumforums.com/showthread.php?33648-Bleach-Giant-black-hand-does-some-stuff&p=961169

Bob
11-05-2015, 04:11 PM
Does the calc use pixel scaling?
Meteor calc? Yes but someone can redo it since we get direct comparisons of the meteor to the whole size of seiereiti, eye- balling it the meteor has roughly 1/4 of the diameter of seireitei
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60745645/Calcs/Scalings/16.png

WILD
11-05-2015, 04:15 PM
Meteor calc? Yes but someone can redo it since we get direct comparisons of the meteor to the whole size of seiereiti, eye- balling it the meteor has roughly 1/4 of the diameter of seireitei
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60745645/Calcs/Scalings/16.png
Well then let's redo it, I think it's prudent that whenever we change a profile we work it out on our own first and make sure people reach a concensus.

Bob
11-05-2015, 04:16 PM
Well then let's redo it, I think it's prudent that whenever we change a profile we work it out on our own first and make sure people reach a concensus.

I can't do it today, yr 13 parents evening...

WILD
11-05-2015, 04:18 PM
I can't do it today, yr 13 parents evening...
It doesn't have to be right away, I'm just saying in general we should do it at some time.