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Rax
06-08-2015, 09:43 PM
Laxus has always shown to be far faster than those he fights with his lightning body magic, including people he was on level with, such as Mystogan, and people far above him, like Hades

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/069/12.png
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/120/fairy%20tail_cha120_13.jpghttp://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/245/12.pnghttp://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/245/13.png




After the time skip, Laxus used his dragon lightning coating over his lightning body, the obvious better technique being known.

All slayers have shown that their elements are > Normal/natural elements.

Dragon fire burns hotter

Dragon metal is harder

Dragon Wind gusts stronger winds

There is ZERO point in being a lightning slayer if their element is the only inferior one.

They would need to also be at least lightning speed in movement to even catch and eat lightning bolts :zaru

I ran out of good names
06-08-2015, 09:45 PM
They would need to also be at least lightning speed in movement to even catch and eat lightning bolts :zaru
Not really, it depends on the distance between the person and the lightning and when they start reacting to it.

+dragon slayer magic wasnt made with the purpouse of eating natural elements
it was made to combat dragons, making the user immune to their element and giving them ability to eat their element to rejunvenate themselves. This would make the dragon they would fight powerless before them.

Rax
06-08-2015, 09:49 PM
That would mean he would need to know exactly where it's gonna strike and when compared to any other slayer.

Dragon slayer elements are > Normal ones

The magic also makes you more like that of a dragon.

And no, that doesn't make them powerless.

It would only apply to the same element of dragon. That's not even including a dragon's physical strength.

Slayers did not learn their magic to combat specific typed dragons.

Bob
06-08-2015, 09:51 PM
u have scans of laxus reacting to natural lightning(idk maybe from a cloud? :amuse)and eating it? All I've seen him do is fire flashy attacks from his body

Rax
06-08-2015, 09:52 PM
Laxus was also blitzing Tempesta, who's MHS from fighting evenly with Natsu

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/358/05.pnghttp://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/358/06.pnghttp://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/358/07.png

Bob
06-08-2015, 09:54 PM
as soon as I see some form of lightning attack linked with clouds I'll consider it

Rax
06-08-2015, 09:55 PM
Tell me why it coming from clouds is the only way it can be lightning speed please.

Tell me how it's not lightning speed when he moved so fast a MHS person didn't even react an inch from it

Bob
06-08-2015, 09:57 PM
I dont need to tell u anything son, show me the scans I asked for and then ill consider it

Rax
06-08-2015, 09:58 PM
Waiting on you to tell me why anyone would pick a lightning as their slayer element if its < Real lightning

Also the fact every slayer element has a perk to it.

The only perk Laxus has ever shown is his extreme speed.

Bob
06-08-2015, 10:02 PM
So no scans?
well that's a shame

W
06-08-2015, 10:05 PM
Tempests isn't MHS also you say Laxus's DS lightning is stronger than normal lightning they same could be said for Gil.

Rax
06-08-2015, 10:08 PM
Tempesta kept up with Natsu just fine.

That makes him MHS

W
06-08-2015, 10:10 PM
Natsu isnt MHS either.

Rax
06-08-2015, 10:17 PM
Natsu was shown faster than the CSK and could fight with Mard Geer.

That makes him MHS

Minty
06-08-2015, 10:21 PM
Suzaku got his lightning straight from a thunderstorm.

http://i21.mangapanda.com/yu-yu-hakusho/41/yu-yu-hakusho-434999.jpg

Yusuke could react to lightning from multiple clones of Suzaku.
http://i28.mangapanda.com/yu-yu-hakusho/42/yu-yu-hakusho-435020.jpg
http://i28.mangapanda.com/yu-yu-hakusho/42/yu-yu-hakusho-435021.jpg
http://i20.mangapanda.com/yu-yu-hakusho/42/yu-yu-hakusho-435022.jpg

Yusuke was near lightning speed as a D-class fighter.

There is ZERO point in being a lightning demon if their element is inferior to natural lightning. Especially when your attacks are natural lightning strengthened with youkai.

Rax
06-08-2015, 10:32 PM
The YYH feat is different

He axles the lightning straight to himself and then channeled it as his attacks, meaning at that point it doesn't abide by normal lightning rules.

And no, you'd still control lightning

The difference between thst and being a slayer is that every other slayer has shown that their elements are far above their natural counter parts

Why would slayer lightning be the only one inferior when the other elements are superior ?

W
06-08-2015, 11:14 PM
Natsu was shown faster than the CSK and could fight with Mard Geer.

That makes him MHS
CSK was only MHS when he was flying after being summoned. Only DF Natsu could fight with Mard and that was thanks to Gray.

Ichiryuu
06-08-2015, 11:24 PM
so would a piss weak person who's weaker than the average human become Faster than real life lightning if he got a dragon slayer lacrima implemented? :hmm

Minty
06-08-2015, 11:28 PM
so would a piss weak person who's weaker than the average human become Faster than real life lightning if he got a dragon slayer lacrima implemented? :hmm

Laxus was weaker than an average person when Ivan gave him the lacryma.

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The YYH feat is different

He axles the lightning straight to himself and then channeled it as his attacks, meaning at that point it doesn't abide by normal lightning rules.

And no, you'd still control lightning

The difference between thst and being a slayer is that every other slayer has shown that their elements are far above their natural counter parts

Why would slayer lightning be the only one inferior when the other elements are superior ?

Read the description of Suzaku's power.

Ichiryuu
06-08-2015, 11:29 PM
Laxus was weaker than an average person when Ivan gave him the lacryma.

Hmm.. I don't know at what age he got it, but idk if it put him at that level right away.

Minty
06-08-2015, 11:34 PM
Hmm.. I don't know at what age he got it, but idk if it put him at that level right away.

He was young and unusually weak.

http://i19.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/128/fairy-tail-162449.jpg

Rax
06-09-2015, 12:18 AM
CSK was only MHS when he was flying after being summoned. Only DF Natsu could fight with Mard and that was thanks to Gray.

Wrong.

The CSK would need to have the same level of combat/speed reactions to land the 3 swings on the cube when he did going through it.

There's also the fact that nothing has ever implied that spirits have speed boost when summoned.

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so would a piss weak person who's weaker than the average human become Faster than real life lightning if he got a dragon slayer lacrima implemented? :hmm


Laxus was weak as hell before getting the Dragon Lacrima, which made him go from piss to S-Class as a kid.

W
06-09-2015, 12:21 AM
Wrong.

The CSK would need to have the same level of combat/speed reactions to land the 3 swings on the cube when he did going through it.

There's also the fact that nothing has ever implied that spirits have speed boost when summoned.

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Laxus was weak as hell before getting the Dragon Lacrima, which made him go from piss to S-Class as a kid.


His combat speed doesn't have to be that fast but hi reactions should be somewhat similar to that.

Rax you know damn the CSK's summoning is different to other spirits like Loke and Tarus.

Akira
06-09-2015, 12:50 AM
His combat speed doesn't have to be that fast but hi reactions should be somewhat similar to that.

Rax you know damn the CSK's summoning is different to other spirits like Loke and Tarus.
agree with this

Rax
06-09-2015, 12:53 AM
No, his combat speed WOULD need to be that fast.

Tell me how he would manage to swing in time, even 3 times, if it wasn't as fast as his travel and reaction speed.

And no, that was his normal speed. Show me a single panel that says spirits are faster when summoned.

Bob
06-09-2015, 05:48 AM
omg levy confirmed to have lightning speed reactions :O
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/105/23.png

Rax
06-09-2015, 06:08 AM
All Levy did was flinch.

It would also be an outlier for her

But not for Gajeel :hurr

Bob
06-09-2015, 06:13 AM
there we go, thats why i asked the cloud scans, have any? Otherwise i dnt see why laxus is lightning speed

Rax
06-09-2015, 06:16 AM
Tell me what perk Dragon Lightning slayers have if not speed then

And how he was blitzing a MHS fighter.

Bob
06-09-2015, 06:19 AM
I showed showed u his attacks couldnt even blitz levy

control lightning or using it to amp his speed is enough

Rax
06-09-2015, 06:20 AM
That was with plain magic lightning

Not dragon slayer lightning :33

Bob
06-09-2015, 06:28 AM
so we already know magic lightning is no where near fast as actual lightning, ty

Rax
06-09-2015, 06:32 AM
So Gilthunder's shit isn't lightning speed then?

Swell.

Bob
06-09-2015, 06:35 AM
His one was generated from a cloud unlike laxus's, so it should le lightning speed

Rax
06-09-2015, 06:38 AM
And how was that cloud formed and controlled?

W
06-09-2015, 03:16 PM
No, his combat speed WOULD need to be that fast.

Tell me how he would manage to swing in time, even 3 times, if it wasn't as fast as his travel and reaction speed.

And no, that was his normal speed. Show me a single panel that says spirits are faster when summoned.
Something called timing Rax.....

You no damn we'll the CSK is summoned differently than other spirits show me one panel of him moving so fast he had the energy BS around him.

Rax
06-09-2015, 03:49 PM
That's his normal fucking speed

And bullshit. He's extremely powerful. I highly doubt he has to time his shit like that. He's as fast in reaction and combat speed as he is with his travel speed with on o age canon proof

WILD
06-09-2015, 05:03 PM
omg levy confirmed to have lightning speed reactions :O
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/105/23.png
That panel was the nail in the Coffin.

Rax
06-09-2015, 05:10 PM
I'm referring to his lightning body and DS lightning coating , not his spells

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Also I like how they try to say trash in NNT like Guila's and Jericho are MHS but Levy can't possibly be :lmao

Bob
06-09-2015, 05:15 PM
if his attacks rnt lightning speed then i dnt see why he should be

Rax
06-09-2015, 05:36 PM
SoGilthunder's lightning isn't lightning speed ?

black star
06-09-2015, 05:37 PM
Apparently nobody agrees Laxus has lightning speed as much as I.
There are many instances where Laxus was far slower than subsonic speed.

Bob
06-09-2015, 05:38 PM
SoGilthunder's lightning isn't lightning speed ?

Why are you bringing gulthunger into this? Is that another name for laxus?

Stick with ft people plz

W
06-09-2015, 06:23 PM
That's his normal fucking speed

And bullshit. He's extremely powerful. I highly doubt he has to time his shit like that. He's as fast in reaction and combat speed as he is with his travel speed with on o age canon proof
That's not his normal speed he never demonstrated that when he was fighting Mard. Again his combat speed isn't that fast he just has a good tracking speed.

Rax
06-09-2015, 07:10 PM
That's like Asking for someone to repeat the same speed feats every time they move

It was his speed unless you can prove it's only when he's summoned

Tracking speed? Since when was that a stat?:lmao

He needed the combat and reaction speed to swing 3 times and when as he passed that fast through the Cube also.

Albion
06-09-2015, 07:37 PM
Isnt travel speed way different from combat speed? Like how Goku reached the other side of Namek in a second but couldnt even put up a real fight against Frieza

Rax
06-09-2015, 09:02 PM
Yes, but it doesn't change the fact the CSK managed to swing his sword 3 times all the way across the cube at different angles within the short span he was in front of it before going through proves his combat and reaction speed equal his travel speed.

I ran out of good names
06-09-2015, 09:04 PM
Yes, but it doesn't change the fact the CSK managed to swing his sword 3 times all the way across the cube at different angles within the short span he was in front of it before going through proves his combat and reaction speed equal his travel speed.
This is actually correct.

Rax
06-09-2015, 09:05 PM
Yes

And Mard's attacks and speed proved to much for the CSK.

For Natsu it wasn't the case.

I ran out of good names
06-09-2015, 09:06 PM
Yes

And Mard's attacks and speed proved to much for the CSK.

For Natsu it wasn't the case.:saysowwy
And you were doing so well too!

Rax
06-09-2015, 09:11 PM
The CSK couldn't dodge his Thorns Bramble or even Hit Mard

Natsu dodged Thorns Bramble and was able to hit Mard.

He also kept up with a much more serious Mard :giogio

I ran out of good names
06-09-2015, 09:12 PM
The CSK couldn't dodge his Thorns Bramble or even Hit Mard

Natsu dodged Thorns Bramble and was able to hit Mard.

He also kept up with a much more serious Mard :giogio
Giant characters's limbs have to travel a far greater distance than human sized characters need to.
Hence that they wouldn't get directly scaled to his speed.

Rax
06-09-2015, 09:14 PM
It was proportionality the same size to the CSK as to Natsu

The CSK coulda just flew straight up if he was fast enough to :geg

Albion
06-09-2015, 09:15 PM
Yes

And Mard's attacks and speed proved to much for the CSK.

For Natsu it wasn't the case.

I think you should take size into account. Since CSK is bigger than leaves him with even less space and time than Natsu to dodge in attack. For example if a really wide person and a skinny person were running straight through an attack and even if the wider person and is faster than the skinnier 1 the wider 1 would still have a higher chance to get it just because there is more of him to hit.

I ran out of good names
06-09-2015, 09:17 PM
It was proportionality the same size to the CSK as to Natsu

The CSK coulda just flew straight up if he was fast enough to :geg
No, no it wasn't. The thorns were around Natsu's size, maybe bigger, and they had to travel a greater distance to get to him.
The thorns were also faster than Natsu, he only moved his body to the right a little while the torns kept moving like 1-2 meters more.

Rax
06-09-2015, 09:19 PM
The CSK had the same proportions and distance to what Natsu had

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/385/08.pnghttp://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/402/06.png

The ! symbol also shows he was shocked at it, meaning it was beyond what he could dodge

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No, no it wasn't. The thorns were around Natsu's size, maybe bigger, and they had to travel a greater distance to get to him.
The thorns were also faster than Natsu, he only moved his body to the right a little while the torns kept moving like 1-2 meters more.

They were the same short distance about away

And also explain to me how Natsu kept up with a much more serious and even an Etherius Mard if he's not faster than the CSK, who couldn't even hit playing Mard :giogio

I ran out of good names
06-09-2015, 09:20 PM
Going by that picture, the first thorns to stab him would be those below his legs.
And going by his head placement, he wouldnt have been able to see them, hence his surprise.

Albion
06-09-2015, 09:21 PM
The CSK had the same proportions and distance to what Natsu had

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/385/08.pnghttp://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/402/06.png

The ! symbol also shows he was shocked at it, meaning it was beyond what he could dodge

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They were the same short distance about away

And also explain to me how Natsu kept up with a much more serious and even an Etherius Mard if he's not faster than the CSK, who couldn't even hit playing Mard :giogio

From what i see Natsu had space to twist his body while CSK didn't but I could be wrong

Rax
06-09-2015, 09:25 PM
His were all coming directly up at him.

Natsu's came from multiple directions :geg