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Rax
05-10-2015, 03:33 AM
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141231205131/powerlisting/images/d/df/Celestial_Spirit_King.jpg

Let's get this underway! :iria

Name: Celestial Spirit King
Origin: Fairy Tail (http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Fairy_Tail)
Age: Unknown
Classification: Celestial Spirit
Weaknesses: Nothing worth mentioning
Destructive Capacity: Island Level with Meteo Blade (http://i27.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/385/fairy-tail-4968899.jpg), Has higher AoE with Galaxia Blade
Striking Strength: Class TJ with casual (http://i4.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/385/fairy-tail-4968891.jpg) strikes, Possibly Class PJ via acceleration
Speed: MHS+ (Traveled hundreds of miles before Jackal could even lift his hand to attack Lucy)
Durability: At least Island level (Was in the epicenter of his own attacks) likely higher
Stamina: Fairly high, was unphased by Mard Geer's binding thorns,

Rax
05-10-2015, 06:12 AM
Guys :grr

V
05-10-2015, 06:32 AM
What do you want

WILD
05-10-2015, 06:37 AM
You have to provide scans or stats for us to have a basis to discuss. Otherwise people will just start throwing out random numbers with nothing to review in context.

Rax
05-10-2015, 06:43 AM
http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-392-page-26.html

Kaiser
05-10-2015, 01:43 PM
Hmm, I'll start it

DC: Mountain level
Speed: HS

That's about it afaicr

Rax
05-10-2015, 01:46 PM
He's Island level and MHS

Kaiser
05-10-2015, 01:46 PM
He's Island level and MHS
Nope

Rax
05-10-2015, 01:48 PM
Yep.

Actually go over things like the point of these threads or get out

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 01:58 PM
What exactly made him island level again, slashing plutogrim in pieces or the meteoblade? :O

black star
05-10-2015, 02:00 PM
Lol he created a thread, when someone disagree with his point he says to get out. Retarded Rax:zaru

CSK has
DC: Large hill to mountain level. He has to hit multiple times to bust it yet it didn't bust
Speed :maybe HS

Rax
05-10-2015, 08:47 PM
What exactly made him island level again, slashing plutogrim in pieces or the meteoblade? :O

Destroying the Plutogrim

His Meteoblade just continues to provide consistent feats for him

W
05-10-2015, 08:49 PM
Took more than one hit to destroy that thing so no....

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 08:49 PM
Destroying the Plutogrim

His Meteoblade just continues to provide consistent feats for him

But the Plutogrim isn't anywhere near the size of an island though.

Rax
05-10-2015, 08:51 PM
It was 14km wide

It was also cubic


Compare how much mass is upto a coin compared to a single dice the same width

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 08:54 PM
It was 14km wide

It was also cubic


Compare how much mass is upto a coin compared to a single dice the same width

Where the hell did you get 14km from o_O

Rax
05-10-2015, 08:58 PM
I'll show you a scaling in a bit.

Island level comes from the most basic way of leveling an island

The cube has a a shit ton of mass considering it's shape, meaning it caries enough to compare to plain islands wider than it , seeing as they contain less mass

Aegon Targaryen
05-10-2015, 09:06 PM
it is also fairly hallow.

Rax
05-10-2015, 09:40 PM
The island has Zero indications of being hollow, Q :giogio

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 09:45 PM
Show me the scaling thingy you got to prove the thingy is 14km

Rax
05-10-2015, 09:50 PM
Show me the scaling thingy you got to prove the thingy is 14km


Natsu's Height = 1.8m
Lower Half = 1.8*0.52 = 0.94m

http://i.imgur.com/SxCPQGk.png


244 / 65 * 0.94 = 3.53m wide for Mard's wing span


http://i.imgur.com/Kq0tXjA.png

403/18*3.53 = 79m tall for the outer wall



http://i.imgur.com/VjtUlt7.png

238.3 / 56.5*79 = 333.2m wide of a Castle.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x267q90/802/rirc.png

272/5.6*333.2 = 16.184 km actually :hmm

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 09:53 PM
Natsu's Height = 1.8m
Lower Half = 1.8*0.52 = 0.94m

http://i.imgur.com/SxCPQGk.png


244 / 65 * 0.94 = 3.53m wide for Mard's wing span


http://i.imgur.com/Kq0tXjA.png

403/18*3.53 = 79m tall for the outer wall



http://i.imgur.com/VjtUlt7.png

238.3 / 56.5*79 = 333.2m wide of a Castle.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x267q90/802/rirc.png

272/5.6*333.2 = 16.184 km actually :hmm


Now Pixel Scale Mard to CSK to Plutogrim, you'll get a few hundred meters at most with a high end. :cake
There's also the scan where plutogrim was basically next to the cathedral and was almost the same size.

Guess I'll be voting no for the pixel scaling option in the thread.

Rax
05-10-2015, 09:55 PM
There's no scan of the CSK to the Plutogrim.

What? The Cube was miles up in the air when it was over Magnoloia :geg

http://i16.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/384/fairy-tail-4956055.jpg

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 09:59 PM
The force of the air stays the same size all the time, you can scale the king to that same force thats around him, then you can scale that force to plutogrim :cake

Rax
05-10-2015, 10:01 PM
And there's not a single panel that gives us a size of it of the energy stream around him, so no, we can't use that

Meanwhile there are I know of at least 2 scans that have the castle as barely a speck on the island

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 10:03 PM
And there's not a single panel that gives us a size of it of the energy stream around him, so no, we can't use that

Meanwhile there are I know of at least 2 scans that have the castle as barely a speck on the island

You posted it in your previous post.

Rax
05-10-2015, 10:06 PM
There's nothing that shows us the size of the stream aside from comparing to the island.

Pimp of Pimps
05-10-2015, 10:08 PM
This is just my two cents, but wouldn't is b better to just make a feats thread? That way there's no bias or anything involved, just pure manga scans, statements etc.

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 10:09 PM
You can see the stream around him in that 2nd panel of the image you posted

Rax
05-10-2015, 10:10 PM
You can see the tip of stream, but it's before you can see the star shape, meaning there's no way to see the part of the beam that stays the same

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 10:12 PM
wat? you see a frecking white circle around him and behind him

Rax
05-10-2015, 10:15 PM
And that's just the tip even before the star shaped head.

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 10:19 PM
That doesn't even make sense since its circle sized and not star shaped

Rax
05-10-2015, 10:20 PM
THe first of the stream is star shaped

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 10:21 PM
THe first of the stream is star shaped

In the first panel yes, but in the panel where you see this stuff behind him its not.

Rax
05-10-2015, 10:22 PM
Show me :grr

W
05-10-2015, 10:23 PM
*sigh*

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 10:24 PM
It's on this page, all I see is a circle shaped form behind him, it can't be the star shit because it's not star shaped. You can clearly see the shape of a tunnel.

Rax
05-10-2015, 10:24 PM
What now?

You can barely see the castle in both scans over the island, and the castle alone has a single room like 200m wide or something.

Ichiryuu
05-10-2015, 10:30 PM
Anyways, I'm not going to discuss this obvious detail any longer, would be a waste of time. The pixel scaling was denied in the poll anyways, I need to work on my report, so I'll be doing that.

Rax
05-10-2015, 10:31 PM
And without scaling it's still an island and its shape carries far more mass than a normal island of its width.

Maki
05-10-2015, 10:32 PM
wrt the pixel scaling post, in picture #2 and #3 it is assumed that the ruined building is a part of the castle, but it doesn't look like it to me

Rax
05-10-2015, 10:33 PM
Where at, Maki? :hmm

Maki
05-10-2015, 10:40 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Kq0tXjA.png

In this image, it i scaled to the cathedral in the next image but I don't see any structures on the cathedral that would correspond to that section. It looks more like the corner of plutogrim.

Rax
05-10-2015, 11:10 PM
That's part of the outer wall of the Tartarus Castle seeing as they were fighting right next to Mard's thrown the entire time.

Maki
05-10-2015, 11:36 PM
That's part of the outer wall of the Tartarus Castle seeing as they were fighting right next to Mard's thrown the entire time.

But the outer wall doesn't look anything like that.

Also aren't throne rooms usually in the heart?

Rax
05-10-2015, 11:46 PM
He knocked him out of the castle with his DF punch.

He was still inside there and they were in the castle. It's the outter wall as I showed in the scan.

Maki
05-10-2015, 11:47 PM
But it isn't even the right shape or thickness to be the outer walls. The castle isn't a big box.

Rax
05-10-2015, 11:58 PM
What? It looks just like the outer wall :sanji

Alex D. Boss
05-11-2015, 12:16 AM
Rax keeps sucking LOL

Rax
05-11-2015, 12:18 AM
Says the guy with the faggot sig :smug

Alex D. Boss
05-11-2015, 12:24 AM
Nobody is faggot in my sig.

You just keep sucking like a true legendary hero or whatever crap your name is.

Rax
05-11-2015, 12:24 AM
Every person in your set is gay as fuck

Alex D. Boss
05-11-2015, 12:28 AM
Your whole TMF career is gay as fuck. Fairy Fail strikes again.

Maki
05-11-2015, 12:31 AM
That outer wall is like, 10-15 feet thick. Then there's a thin courtyard, then there is the main complex with some smaller towers between it and the outer wall.

Rax
05-11-2015, 01:53 AM
You realize this was after the CSK cut it the fuck up?

Maki
05-11-2015, 02:24 AM
Yeah but it's still not even remotely the same shape.

Rax
05-11-2015, 02:27 AM
Natsu's Height = 1.8m
Lower Half = 1.8*0.52 = 0.94m

http://i.imgur.com/SxCPQGk.png


244 / 65 * 0.94 = 3.53m wide for Mard's wing span






http://i.imgur.com/Kq0tXjA.png

403/18*3.53 = 79m tall for the outer wall



http://i.imgur.com/VjtUlt7.png

238.3 / 56.5*79 = 333.2m wide of a Castle.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x267q90/802/rirc.png

272/5.6*333.2 = 16.184 km actually :hmm

It might be the inner arts of the outside.

Which would make it bigger :lmao

This is also a very low end size in consideration that the control room is like 200m wide or so on its own.


http://i19.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/368/fairy-tail-4741687.jpg

black star
05-11-2015, 03:53 AM
Nobody agree that plutogium is island size yet Rax is forcing everyone lol.
CSK was only a hill level And He has to strike multiple times so he could be lower.
He should be HS at high end

Maki
05-11-2015, 03:58 AM
Also that corner piece is larger than the tentacle, which is not that far into the background.

Rax
05-11-2015, 04:02 AM
Tell me what contradicts it being island sized people.

>Hill level and HS

No, get the fuck out.

black star
05-11-2015, 01:14 PM
What kind of retardation is this Rax? :hmm
Nobody agree with you. You are jobbing Fairy tail too much. That is a hill level at best. And his attack didn't even destroy that shit. Erza, silver and everyone was just fine on that shit.

Skeptik
05-11-2015, 03:01 PM
So does anyone think if the CSK could stay longer, would he have beaten Mard Geer?

Maki
05-11-2015, 03:31 PM
I think his strength was constantly declining the longer he stayed in the real world, so it's possible.

Kaiser
05-11-2015, 03:33 PM
Well, he turned Mard into stone, so one more attack would of kill him:kanyeshrug

Rax
05-11-2015, 03:43 PM
That was him off of Lucy's magic though

But no, in that fight he wasn't beating Mard

What do you guys think is fine for his stats now?

Y
05-11-2015, 03:48 PM
MHS and Multi Mountain.

Rax
05-11-2015, 03:53 PM
His MeteoBlade was easily above Multi-mountain and he took out an island without much effort

Y
05-11-2015, 03:54 PM
Still not Island level.

Rax
05-11-2015, 03:56 PM
How does taking out an island without even using a technique and having an and track that went beyond the horizon and was miles high not island level

Y
05-11-2015, 03:58 PM
Because the Cube was not Island sized, cherry picking panels and pixel scaling them does not disprove panels in which we see the entire thing and it's clearly not island sized.

Rax
05-11-2015, 03:59 PM
What panels suggest it isn't island sized?

Their huge castle has constantly shown to be a speck on it

Y
05-11-2015, 04:04 PM
https://i.imgur.com/FPCtu7q.jpg

Rax
05-11-2015, 04:06 PM
You realize that it was miles up in the air and that's purely a panel of perspective? :geg

The castle on it is bigger than the Cathedral. It being barely bigger than the Cathedral would make the Tartarus castle the size of a small shed :giogio

black star
05-11-2015, 04:42 PM
https://i.imgur.com/FPCtu7q.jpg

So how is CSK mountain level. From these panel he is not even hill level.
He should be around multi building

Y
05-11-2015, 04:46 PM
What the fuck :lmao

Rax
05-11-2015, 04:53 PM
Again, that's perspective entirely.

It was miles in the air.

http://i16.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/384/fairy-tail-4956055.jpg

black star
05-11-2015, 11:26 PM
Again, that's perspective entirely.

It was miles in the air.

http://i16.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/384/fairy-tail-4956055.jpg

How does that make it miles?
Are you implying CSK is miles tall? :mihawk

Rax
05-12-2015, 01:00 AM
Not sure where you're getting my saying the CSK is that big at all.

Riki
05-12-2015, 06:00 AM
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141231205131/powerlisting/images/d/df/Celestial_Spirit_King.jpg

Let's get this underway! :iria


Guys :grr


What do you want

:lmao

black star
05-13-2015, 02:39 PM
Apparently every big guys other than dragon in Fairy tail has glass cannon durability :mihawk

Rax
05-22-2015, 03:13 AM
Since when was either of them shown to be a glass cannon?

Losing to Natsu's strongest known attack when his normal roars are mountain level is not something that makes you a glass cannon.

Rax
06-05-2015, 07:20 AM
Bumped

black star
06-05-2015, 12:43 PM
CSK is building level at best. He failed to destroy a building size structure in single attack. He has to attack multiple times yet didnt destroy it.

Skeptik
06-05-2015, 12:45 PM
CSK is building level at best. He failed to destroy a building size structure in single attack. He has to attack multiple times yet didnt destroy it.

....lol. Why u gotta get him started? XD

black star
06-05-2015, 12:50 PM
Its just a way to have fun.

Rax
06-05-2015, 06:16 PM
>Building level structure

Get out, Troll

W
06-05-2015, 06:44 PM
>Building level structure

Get out, Troll
This is ironic because you're a troll aswell.

Rax
06-05-2015, 08:36 PM
When do I troll?

Bob
06-05-2015, 08:47 PM
claiming eveything is city level in FT, but the actual on-panel evidence disagrees with it :rotfl

Akrona
06-05-2015, 08:48 PM
claiming eveything is city level in FT, but the actual on-panel evidence disagrees with it :rotfl
Don't forget everyone and their mother in FT is MHS+ :maybe

W
06-05-2015, 09:23 PM
When do I troll?
Look at my sig....

Rax
06-06-2015, 07:31 PM
claiming eveything is city level in FT, but the actual on-panel evidence disagrees with it :rotfl



Don't forget everyone and their mother in FT is MHS+ :maybe

Not everyone . Most members of the Tartarus fights are though and folk who can get scaled from them


Look at my sig....

LelW

W
06-06-2015, 07:33 PM
Not everyone . Most members of the Tartarus fights are though and folk who can get scaled from them



LelW
LelRetardedRax

Rax
06-06-2015, 07:39 PM
Most fighters in the Tartarus arc have MHS feats do to keeping up with people like Natsu and DC from scaling

W
06-06-2015, 07:49 PM
Most fighters in the Tartarus arc have MHS feats do to keeping up with people like Natsu and DC from scaling
DF Natsu is MHS, not one Tarturus member bar Mard is keeping up with DF Natsu.

Rax
06-06-2015, 07:55 PM
DF Natsu is high MHS+

He blitzed Madd multiple times

Natsu was shown to be faster than the CSK.

Almost everyone he fought could keep up with him just fine aside from Jackal

W
06-06-2015, 08:00 PM
DF Natsu is high MHS+

He blitzed Madd multiple times

Natsu was shown to be faster than the CSK.

Almost everyone he fought could keep up with him just fine aside from JackalHe never blitzed Mard, Mard toyed with him until Gray came. After that Natsu with Gray's help barley kept up.

CSK is only MHS when he's flying down to the cube.

X
06-06-2015, 08:01 PM
If we are not talking about the CSK then we are not going to be posting in here.

Bob
06-06-2015, 08:09 PM
lol high MHS+, natsu close to sub-relativistic? :rotfl

Rax
06-06-2015, 08:18 PM
You realize the dragons in a near dead state went across a continent much larger than the diameter of Earth in seconds :sanji

And Acnologia is still far above them

And EoS Natsu is gonna be above Acnologia.

You act like Mashima has never drawn or had ridiculous speed feats

Shuda went from as strong as the BoS Main character to that of a MHS+ country level dude in 1 year :lmao

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He never blitzed Mard, Mard toyed with him until Gray came. After that Natsu with Gray's help barley kept up.

CSK is only MHS when he's flying down to the cube.

>DF Natsu never blitzed Mard
>Wasn't serious until Gray showed up

Incorrect on both parts.

DF Natsu was when he and Gray were together and Gray canceled out his Memento Mori :giogio

Mard was pissed when Natsu, Sting, and Rogue got a combo his on him. He was far more serious than when he fought the CSK.

And no. He isn't. He's MHS in combat and reaction speed seeing as he'd need to have the same speeds to even be able to land swings on the cube when he went through it, which he did 3 times

Bob
06-06-2015, 08:24 PM
i thought this was the CSK profile

W
06-06-2015, 08:30 PM
You realize the dragons in a near dead state went across a continent much larger than the diameter of Earth in seconds :sanji

And Acnologia is still far above them

And EoS Natsu is gonna be above Acnologia.

You act like Mashima has never drawn or had ridiculous speed feats

Shuda went from as strong as the BoS Main character to that of a MHS+ country level dude in 1 year :lmao

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>DF Natsu never blitzed Mard
>Wasn't serious until Gray showed up

Incorrect on both parts.

DF Natsu was when he and Gray were together and Gray canceled out his Memento Mori :giogio

Mard was pissed when Natsu, Sting, and Rogue got a combo his on him. He was far more serious than when he fought the CSK.

And no. He isn't. He's MHS in combat and reaction speed seeing as he'd need to have the same speeds to even be able to land swings on the cube when he went through it, which he did 3 times
He was pusses not serious when he faced Natsu plus Batsu and co were getting raped until Gray came.

And only them was he MHS, the only reason they were doing anything to Mard was because of Gray.

He doesn't need to be MHS to hit the cube the cube has no speed feats.

Rax
06-06-2015, 08:34 PM
He was pusses not serious when he faced Natsu plus Batsu and co were getting raped until Gray came.

And only them was he MHS, the only reason they were doing anything to Mard was because of Gray.

He doesn't need to be MHS to hit the cube the cube has no speed feats.

Him wrecking them when he got mad is still him being more serious than when he fought the CSK

No, Natsu managed to hit Mard, which the CSK could not

Natsu also dodged his MeteoBlade, which the CSK could not.

Yes, he would.

He would need similar reaction and combat feats to know when to slash the cube and to do it in general when going at such speeds.

Rax
06-08-2015, 03:02 AM
Concesses?:33

Numinous One
06-08-2015, 03:15 AM
Did anyone try scaling the cube with the hole Erza made?
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/372/16
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/373/10

Find hole size compared to people.
Compare hole to cube.
???

Seems like a far less argumentative way of scaling the cube.

Rax
06-08-2015, 03:26 AM
The holes size is inconsistent since in the panel it's shown to the entirely of the cube you can't even see anyone at all when it was maybe 10 meters wide at most

The cube had Tatarus castle as a speck on top of it. The control room alone was huge as hell

Maki
06-08-2015, 03:46 AM
I always figured that control room was inside the cube, not the castle.

Rax
06-08-2015, 03:46 AM
There was never an indication of it going underground

Maki
06-08-2015, 03:56 AM
There was never an indication of its location at all, I would just put my control room at the center if I were building a floating cube base.

Rax
06-08-2015, 04:42 AM
And there were tons of other rooms and even a giant lab inside of it

I ran out of good names
06-08-2015, 08:22 AM
Did anyone try scaling the cube with the hole Erza made?
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/372/16
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/373/10

Find hole size compared to people.
Compare hole to cube.
???

Seems like a far less argumentative way of scaling the cube.
The perspective is kinda skewed on the first page, but otherwise I think that your idea is good.

Albeit people here don't accept pixel scaling so that might just be wasted effort.

black star
06-08-2015, 01:49 PM
That cube was only about building size. There is no question of perspective here. That view wasn't Top-Down or Bottom-up view. That was a side view. CSK was only building level at best, nothing more. People can even argue he wasn't building level Cause he failed to destroy it even after multiple strikes.

Rax
06-08-2015, 03:05 PM
How is the cube building sized when it had a massive castle on it tat was a speck In comparison ?

Rax
06-13-2015, 10:45 PM
Mashima labeled the Plutogrim as a Dwarf Planet

Meaning its rock is going to be a lot denser to the its own gravity.

Maki
06-13-2015, 10:53 PM
Mashima labeled the Plutogrim as a Dwarf Planet

Meaning its rock is going to be a lot denser to the its own gravity.

For it to have enough gravity to counteract earth's gravity, it would need as much mass as the earth. I don't think CSK is planetary, therefore the gravity is magical.

I ran out of good names
06-13-2015, 10:55 PM
Wasn't the gravity turned on manually? :hmm

I remember people on NF talking about that.

Rax
06-13-2015, 11:06 PM
It was turned on manually, but seeing as the force of gravity pressing down on it from all sides wouldn't that be crushing the rocks and shit on it if they weren't already denser from previous times it was turned on?

Maki
06-13-2015, 11:13 PM
Not really. Gravity is the weakest of the 4 forces.

Rax
06-13-2015, 11:15 PM
What're all 4 forces?

And wouldn't the cube need stronger gravity than the planet to keep them on the bottom side of the cube?

Maki
06-13-2015, 11:21 PM
What're all 4 forces?

And wouldn't the cube need stronger gravity than the planet to keep them on the bottom side of the cube?

Gravity, Magnetism, Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear Force

Technically yes, but an opposing natural gravity would never fully cancel out Earth's gravity. 2xcube vs 1xearth would result in 50%gravity on the cube. 3x would be 33%, etc.

Rax
06-13-2015, 11:25 PM
It was enough that it held them there over The planets gravity

The rock should be a good chunk denser than normal rock then

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Also seriously though

The CSK traveled hundreds of miles in his entrance to the chapter before Jackal, who was trYing to attack Lucy, could even lift his hand and do so

Katawa ChooChoo
06-13-2015, 11:37 PM
What're all 4 forces?

And wouldn't the cube need stronger gravity than the planet to keep them on the bottom side of the cube?

maybe they super glued em to keep up the aesthetic

Maki
06-13-2015, 11:37 PM
It was enough that it held them there over The planets gravity

The rock should be a good chunk denser than normal rock then

No, the mantle of the earth is 50km thick and doesn't noticeably change in density.

Rax
06-13-2015, 11:38 PM
Wouldn't it get denser if the gravity on Earth increased substantially?

Maki
06-13-2015, 11:44 PM
Wouldn't it get denser if the gravity on Earth increased substantially?

It's the opposite, the gravity would increase if the earth's density increased. This only applies to natural gravity though.

Rax
06-14-2015, 12:30 AM
Okay.

Back to his entrance feat please :33

black star
06-14-2015, 01:11 AM
Weakness: Some wooden thorn
DC: Large building level to Hill level at best Not destroying plutonium which is only 1-2 km wide cube with multiple strikes put him at Hill level at best.
Striking Strength: Not known yet
Durability: Thorn level, maybe some multiple wall level
Stamina :Pretty low, he fight at best for around 30 min

Rax
06-14-2015, 01:24 AM
Can I request someone neg this fodder troll above me? :hmm

black star
06-14-2015, 01:32 AM
:troll

Rax
06-14-2015, 06:33 AM
Where are you guys getting time frames for either feat ?

Akira
06-14-2015, 06:48 AM
Weakness: Some wooden thorn
DC: Large building level to Hill level at best Not destroying plutonium which is only 1-2 km wide cube with multiple strikes put him at Hill level at best.
Striking Strength: Not known yet
Durability: Thorn level, maybe some multiple wall level
Stamina :Pretty low, he fight at best for around 30 min
:rotfl

Rax
06-14-2015, 06:49 AM
You want to be n egged again?:rax

Akira
06-14-2015, 07:18 AM
You want to be n egged again?:rax

:amuse

Rax
06-14-2015, 12:40 PM
The CSK went hundreds of miles within the time spam of before Jackal could even lift his hand to attack Lucy.

He's easily MHS

Akrona
06-14-2015, 08:47 PM
Jackal wasn't even attacking Lucy the moment when CSK appeared, he was questioning why the water disappeared :distracted

I ran out of good names
06-14-2015, 09:02 PM
Jackal wasn't even attacking Lucy the moment when CSK appeared, he was questioning why the water disappeared :distractedRoyalIce already told that to RH.
As you can see, it didn't make RH change his mind.

You're wasting your time :distracted

Bob
06-14-2015, 09:07 PM
once rax has made up his mind he wont change, I mean he still believes gildarts is FTL

Rax
06-14-2015, 10:29 PM
Jackal wasn't even attacking Lucy the moment when CSK appeared, he was questioning why the water disappeared :distracted

No he wasn't. He was relived it was gone. There were no question marks that meant he was confused at all. He was fucking smiling in the panel and had been trying to attack Lucy before.

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http://i.imgur.com/LgnIxo7.jpg

Jackal was relieved of the water gone and was smiling, meaning he was ready to attack Lucy like he'd been trying to

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once rax has made up his mind he wont change, I mean he still believes gildarts is FTL

I never even said FTL :mihawk

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Also another point:

Cobra is easily HS+ at least by feats

Racer's magic is strong enough to reduce your perception of time to the point he, a peak human, looked MHS.

Even with this huge debuff on him Jellal was still fighting just fine with 3 of the OS, including Cobra at point blank range.

That would make Jellal MHS easily in reactions and the CSK is far above him

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And he was blitzing them with his Meteor Spell

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Even Cana managed to run up stairs, send out cards to capture everyone, give them to Happy and co, use it on herself, tell them to go, all while the bomb in the guild's basement had expanded to the point where it was on the first floor of the guild.

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DF Wendy blitzing the fuck outta Ezel :zaru

Akrona
06-14-2015, 10:33 PM
Most of those are either unquantifiable or a "character A blitzed character B" trope

Rax
06-14-2015, 10:36 PM
And you used that for saying Meliodas is MHS cause he cut off Guila's hand :psyduck

Jellal even with his reaction speed cut down hundreds of times was still able to fight with and blitz HS+ people. That easily makes him MHS - MHS+

Cana did a bunch of shit before an explosion even expanded to reach one floor above it.

Akrona
06-14-2015, 10:51 PM
And you used that for saying Meliodas is MHS cause he cut off Guila's hand :psyduck

Jellal even with his reaction speed cut down hundreds of times was still able to fight with and blitz HS+ people. That easily makes him MHS - MHS+

Cana did a bunch of shit before an explosion even expanded to reach one floor above it.
I didn't add that part :zaru

Character A blitzing character B trope :zaru

None of those characters he blitzed were HS+ :zaru

Unquantifiable. And before you object, give me a valid timeframe and distance, then calc it

Rax
06-14-2015, 10:54 PM
You did so

And he did it with his perception of time drastically reduced to where a peak human sees MHS, and he still kept up with Cobra who's HS+ :zaru

:giogio

Mira Outrunning the bombs back on Sirius Island made her HS+ and the Cana feat was done with much more going on

Akrona
06-14-2015, 11:01 PM
You did so

And he did it with his perception of time drastically reduced to where a peak human sees MHS, and he still kept up with Cobra who's HS+ :zaru

:giogio

Mira Outrunning the bombs back on Sirius Island made her HS+ and the Cana feat was done with much more going on
I used the edited version for the OP, and that was added to it. I didn't list that feat.

What feats make Cobra HS+ again? And no, him blitzing Natsu doesn't make him Hthat fast.

Post the scans

I ran out of good names
06-14-2015, 11:03 PM
Yeah I was the one who added that feat.

And we had Mel as being MHS in a lower state so this discussion is relevant how exactly?

Oh nvm I know why it is.
Its because RH is trying to grasp at any possible change to get MHS FT characters.

And no that feat in itself doesn't make Mel MHS.

W
06-14-2015, 11:06 PM
Blitzing HS characters make you MHS, looks like Bleach had been MHS for awhile.

Akrona
06-14-2015, 11:06 PM
Yeah I was the one who added that feat.

And we had Mel as being MHS in a lower state so this discussion is relevant how exactly?
It's not, he just loves debating against NNT :zaru

Rax
06-14-2015, 11:08 PM
Fucking noob coward :smug

Cobra completely kicked Erza's ass when they fought in the Starry Sky arc, even Mira was HS+ from her outrunning of point blank explosions. They were completely on level until Erza pulled out some huge hammer that she had gotten that arc to fuck with the Infinity Clock.

Cobra is in no way below Sirius Island weakest SS form and low on Magic Mirajane

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Blitzing HS characters make you MHS, looks like Bleach had been MHS for awhile.

Cobra is HS+

And even with Racer's magic Jellal still kept up with him just fine.

Racer's magic reduces your perception of time and thus your reaction speed down dozens of times.

I ran out of good names
06-14-2015, 11:08 PM
It's not, he just loves debating against NNT :zaru
The mira feat was calc'ed to be like mach 13 iirc btw.

Just fyi.

Rax
06-14-2015, 11:12 PM
That's HS+

And Mira in her weakest SS form

Pre-skip

While super low on magic

:zaru

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Also where are you guys getting the time frames that say the CSK is only HS+?

Akrona
06-14-2015, 11:12 PM
Fucking noob coward :smug

Cobra completely kicked Erza's ass when they fought in the Starry Sky arc, even Mira was HS+ from her outrunning of point blank explosions. They were completely on level until Erza pulled out some huge hammer that she had gotten that arc to fuck with the Infinity Clock.

Cobra is in no way below Sirius Island weakest SS form and low on Magic Mirajane

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Cobra is HS+

And even with Racer's magic Jellal still kept up with him just fine.

Racer's magic reduces your perception of time and thus your reaction speed down dozens of times.
Post the scans of this HS+ feat, please

The mira feat was calc'ed to be like mach 13 iirc btw.

Just fyi.
Cool. I still think she's MHS personally, she was keeping up with Mel after all.

I ran out of good names
06-14-2015, 11:13 PM
Cool. I still think she's MHS personally, she was keeping up with Mel after all.
Who are you talking about? :hmm

Rax
06-14-2015, 11:15 PM
Post the scans of this HS+ feat, please

Cool. I still think she's MHS personally, she was keeping up with Mel after all.

http://i2.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/220/fairy-tail-1886231.jpghttp://i6.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/220/fairy-tail-1886233.jpg

Mirajane also in the Starry Sky arc kept up with Racer even with her perception of time drastically reduced :zaru


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTCai5gJd9E

Akrona
06-14-2015, 11:17 PM
Who are you talking about? :hmm
Sorry, I thought you were talking about Gulia. :psyduck

Rax
06-14-2015, 11:18 PM
>Guila
>MHS

Get the fuck out :lmao

That girl was fodder

Akrona
06-14-2015, 11:21 PM
http://i2.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/220/fairy-tail-1886231.jpghttp://i6.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/220/fairy-tail-1886233.jpg

Mirajane also in the Starry Sky arc kept up with Racer even with her perception of time drastically reduced :zaru


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTCai5gJd9E
Okay so Mira is mach 13 then? That makes her HS. That also makes Racer and Jellal HS, not MHS. Blitzing a HS character doesn't make you MHS :noworries

I ran out of good names
06-14-2015, 11:21 PM
Sorry, I thought you were talking about Gulia. :psyduck
http://i.imgur.com/9i4cT.gif

Don't listen to RH btw, you're right, she's scalable to some extent to MHS.

W
06-14-2015, 11:22 PM
Fucking noob coward :smug

Cobra completely kicked Erza's ass when they fought in the Starry Sky arc, even Mira was HS+ from her outrunning of point blank explosions. They were completely on level until Erza pulled out some huge hammer that she had gotten that arc to fuck with the Infinity Clock.

Cobra is in no way below Sirius Island weakest SS form and low on Magic Mirajane

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Cobra is HS+

And even with Racer's magic Jellal still kept up with him just fine.

Racer's magic reduces your perception of time and thus your reaction speed down dozens of times.
Again using your logic Bleach was MHS in the SS arc.

Akrona
06-14-2015, 11:23 PM
>Guila
>MHS

Get the fuck out :lmao

That girl was fodder
I go where I please :away

Also, let's stop debating NNT in the FT thread. Your getting me sidetracked :zaru

Rax
06-14-2015, 11:25 PM
Okay so Mira is mach 13 then? That makes her HS. That also makes Racer and Jellal HS, not MHS. Blitzing a HS character doesn't make you MHS :noworries

Are you retarded?

1. The feat was Mach 15, which is HS+
2. Racer's magic is enough that he, a peak human, looked MHS.
3. Even with his perception of time drastically pulled down to a slim fraction of his actual reaction speed he was still fighting with Cobra, Racer, and Angel just fine and his Meteor Spell increased his speed to the point where he was much faster than them even with the debuff from Racer
4. Blitzing a HS+ character while only at a fraction of your actual speed does make you MHS

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Again using your logic Bleach was MHS in the SS arc.

Did anyone there have any abilities that reduced your reaction speed down to like a hundredth of its fullness and yet Ichigo or whoever still fought on level with HS+ people?

I ran out of good names
06-14-2015, 11:26 PM
Since when was Racer a peak human.

Rax
06-14-2015, 11:29 PM
Since when was he more than Peak human?

Super human or Peak human, whatever. He still isn't even subsonic normally and he appeared MHS to the people he fought.

His magic reduces the perception of time of those within it hundreds of what their actual speeds are, and Jellal still fought 3 people, one being HS+, Angel being HS to maybe even HS+ as well, just fine and even to where his Meteor Gave him the speed to blitz them even with the debuff

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Meaning Jellal's actual combat, movement, and reaction speed are hundreds of times higher than that of Cobra and co.

Akrona
06-14-2015, 11:34 PM
Are you retarded?

1. The feat was Mach 15, which is HS+
2. Racer's magic is enough that he, a peak human, looked MHS.
3. Even with his perception of time drastically pulled down to a slim fraction of his actual reaction speed he was still fighting with Cobra, Racer, and Angel just fine and his Meteor Spell increased his speed to the point where he was much faster than them even with the debuff from Racer
4. Blitzing a HS+ character while only at a fraction of your actual speed does make you MHS
1. Okay. Still slow as Hell :cat
2. Scans where this was stated? Because otherwise he just blitzed HS+ characters, and you know what that means.
3. That makes Jelall HS+, not MHS. He needs actual speed feats for that :zaru

4. Losing most of his magic doesn't cut his reaction speed as well.

Rax
06-14-2015, 11:39 PM
1. Still above most of NNT :rax
2. What? Did you not read the manga?
http://i2.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/140/fairy-tail-162697.jpghttp://i14.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/140/fairy-tail-162692.jpghttp://i6.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/140/fairy-tail-162693.jpghttp://i14.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/140/fairy-tail-162694.jpghttp://i6.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/140/fairy-tail-162695.jpghttp://i18.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/139/fairy-tail-162683.jpg

3.No, it doesn't. It means his actual speed is hundreds of times faster than that of Cobra and co when at his full speed and not under the effects of Racer's magic. His speed is above HS+ when at only a fraction of his full speed, dude.
4. He didn't lose most of his magic, he had his perception of time/reaction speeds cut down a drastic degree.

Akrona
06-14-2015, 11:59 PM
1. Still above most of NNT :rax
2. What? Did you not read the manga?
http://i2.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/140/fairy-tail-162697.jpghttp://i14.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/140/fairy-tail-162692.jpghttp://i6.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/140/fairy-tail-162693.jpghttp://i14.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/140/fairy-tail-162694.jpghttp://i6.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/140/fairy-tail-162695.jpghttp://i18.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/139/fairy-tail-162683.jpg

3.No, it doesn't. It means his actual speed is hundreds of times faster than that of Cobra and co when at his full speed and not under the effects of Racer's magic. His speed is above HS+ when at only a fraction of his full speed, dude.
4. He didn't lose most of his magic, he had his perception of time/reaction speeds cut down a drastic degree.
1. Bait post :away
2. I just said that blitzing another character doesn't count, genius :zaru

3. Mind posting where it says his speed is cut hundreds of times? Otherwise it just means a HS+ character blitzed some slower HS+ characters

4. Ah, I thought you were talking about something else. :psyduck

Rax
06-15-2015, 12:03 AM
1. Lel
2. :geg It shows that Racer, who's like super human, appeared MHS to people HS people. His ability reduces your reaction speed/perception of time to like a hundredth of its full speed.
3. Racer's actual speed was like super human but he appeared MHS to others. That means he's breaking down their perception of time down to a fraction to which a Super human would appear MHS to someone.
4.

Akrona
06-15-2015, 12:18 AM
1. Lel
2. :geg It shows that Racer, who's like super human, appeared MHS to people HS people. His ability reduces your reaction speed/perception of time to like a hundredth of its full speed.
3. Racer's actual speed was like super human but he appeared MHS to others. That means he's breaking down their perception of time down to a fraction to which a Super human would appear MHS to someone.
4.
2. No it doesn't and scans.

3. He isn't MHS in any way, he's HS+

Rax
06-15-2015, 12:39 AM
Yes it does.

Racer himself is slow but his magic slows people down to where he appears MHS to people who are HS

That means he slows them down to a fraction where someone of super human speeds would appear to be MHS, which means he slows them down hundreds of times

Even with thst speed debuff Jellal was still fighting them . Thst means that even with his speed drastically decreased to a miniscule level of his real speed he's still HS+

Akrona
06-15-2015, 12:49 AM
No it doesn't

No it doesn't. He blitzes HS+ characters, so he's HS+.

Blitzing HS+ characters still makes you HS+. Unless you can give an exact amount that it cut his speed by, it's unquantifiable.

Provide an actual MHS feat that isn't blitzing.

Rax
06-15-2015, 01:16 AM
Yes, it does :giogio

Tell me how many times HS is to peak human speeds. He made it so their reaction speed was at a sliver of their actual speed. With that sliver Gray and Natsu so slow that Racer was much faster than them.

You realize that him being HS+ at a massive fraction of his actual speed means his full speed + His Meteor speed are easily going to be MHS?

Akrona
06-15-2015, 01:27 AM
Yes, it does :giogio

Tell me how many times HS is to peak human speeds. He made it so their reaction speed was at a sliver of their actual speed. With that sliver Gray and Natsu so slow that Racer was much faster than them.

You realize that him being HS+ at a massive fraction of his actual speed means his full speed + His Meteor speed are easily going to be MHS?
Racer isn't peak human. He's dirt weak, but I doubt he's just normal human level in stats. And again, give a quantifiable amount.

Calc the speed of the meteor then, don't just claim it's MHS

Rax
06-15-2015, 01:31 AM
Show me a speed feat for Racer then

Meteor as in Jellal's speed boost spell :giogio

Again, you realize Jellal was blitzing HS+ folk at like 1/200th of his actual speed or something.

Racer's actual feats are super human.

HS is hundreds of times that of super human. Racer's magic made it so that he seemed far faster than Natsu and co

Akrona
06-15-2015, 02:08 AM
Show me a speed feat for Racer then

Meteor as in Jellal's speed boost spell :giogio

Again, you realize Jellal was blitzing HS+ folk at like 1/200th of his actual speed or something.

Racer's actual feats are super human.

HS is hundreds of times that of super human. Racer's magic made it so that he seemed far faster than Natsu and co
So you assuming a character that can beat the shit out of FT members is peak human? Never thought I would see the day you'd downplay aFT character, just g make another one sound more impressive.

Or it could be 1/2. We don't know, so it's unquantifiable.

Rax
06-15-2015, 02:12 AM
You mean the character who had their shit way slowed down and was just hitting them shit tons of time while they had no guard up? :rax

It's definitely not 1/2 :lmao

He has no speed feats and only super human feats. A super human slowing them down so much that he appeared much faster than HS characters.

The difference between super human and HS is hundreds of times. That means Jellal at a small fraction of his actual speeds is HS+

Meaning he himself is MHS. Being far faster than Laxus also helps his case just fine.

Akrona
06-15-2015, 02:26 AM
The feat is unquantifiable. You don't know how much it slows them down by.

It's the exact same principle as my finger snap calc being flawed. If Jelall is 200 times faster then someone who is HS+, he'd be MHS+. But then that'd make some of them MHS+ as well, for being able to tag him, and everyone above him, even pre skip, is MHS+. Understand? It makes no sense

Rax
06-15-2015, 02:58 AM
Yes you do.

You know it slows someone down to a point where a super human appears HS+ to a HS person.

A HS person is hundreds of times faster than a Super human

Meaning Jellal in his full speed is hundreds of times the speed of Cobra :zaru

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Super Human is like 20 m/s

HS+ starts at like 3400 m/s

That's That's 170 time faster.

Meaning Jellal is at least 170 times faster than Cobra and co when at his full speed, meaning Mahc 2550

Not even counting his Meteor Spell boost.
57 times faster

Akrona
06-15-2015, 03:14 AM
Yes you do.

You know it slows someone down to a point where a super human appears HS+ to a HS person.

A HS person is hundreds of times faster than a Super human

Meaning Jellal in his full speed is hundreds of times the speed of Cobra :zaru

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Super Human is like 20 m/s

HS+ starts at like 3400 m/s

That's That's 170 time faster.

Meaning Jellal is at least 170 times faster than Cobra and co when at his full speed, meaning Mahc 2550

Not even counting his Meteor Spell boost.
57 times faster
That is complete bullshit. You don't know how fast Racer is without his magic, and your only claiming he's peak human to support your ridiculous claim.

Like I said. Real feat. No blitzing other characters, and no random assumptions.

Rax
06-15-2015, 03:28 AM
I said super human, not peak human.

Everything aside from his slowing magic were super human.

Show me a single feat from him that even puts him at sub sonic

I'm using the bare minimum for both super human and HS+

Blitzing them with a tiny fraction of his real speed is a feeat

Akrona
06-15-2015, 03:39 AM
I said super human, not peak human.

Everything aside from his slowing magic were super human.

Show me a single feat from him that even puts him at sub sonic

I'm using the bare minimum for both super human and HS+

Blitzing them with a tiny fraction of his real speed is a feeat
No it isn't. It's unquantifiable. A faster character blitzing slower characters, even if it's a fraction of his power, still puts him at HS+. You don't have concrete numbers for this feat, your literally just spit balling both speeds to get a ridiculously high end feat.

And aside from that mess, there is no feat in FT currently that is MHS. You only say they are from a konga line of blitzing feats.

Rax
06-15-2015, 03:55 AM
So a dude who's at 1/10000000000000000 of his actual speed scoring a HS feat means that his peak is still HS? :lmao

Being able to blitz someone who's HS+ while at less than 1/100th of your actual speed means you're MHS normally.

Don't be a fucking retard :giogio

Akrona
06-15-2015, 03:59 AM
So a dude who's at 1/10000000000000000 of his actual speed scoring a HS feat means that his peak is still HS? :lmao

Being able to blitz someone who's HS+ while at less than 1/100th of your actual speed means you're MHS normally.

Don't be a fucking retard :giogio
You have no idea how much he was slowed down by, the feat is completely unquantifiable. Your just talking out of your ass now. Give me a legit MHS feat or FT stays at HS+ :distracted

Rax
06-15-2015, 04:12 AM
Tell me how many times faster HS+ is to super human please

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You have no idea how much he was slowed down by, the feat is completely unquantifiable. Your just talking out of your ass now. Give me a legit MHS feat or FT stays at HS+ :distracted

The base minimum for Super human and HS+ makes his slowing to 170 times slower.

The bare minimum doesn't make it quantifiable.

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>No one in FT is MHS

Shit tons of FT is MHS now

Even more if your Magic lightning BS is allowed :rax

Akrona
06-15-2015, 04:42 AM
Completely assuming Racer is only "superhuman" in speed isn't a valid excuse. Your assuming, which you claim to hate, yet seem to love doing.

By powerscaling Racer is HS+, so even if he gets blitzed by Jellal, it doesn't make him MHS. It's unquantifiable unless you have a concrete number. Try again. :noworries

Rax
06-15-2015, 04:55 AM
His magic entirely was to slow people down and when they were outside his range he was fucked.

He had hax that directly dealt with slowing people cause he himself was slow.

So he's not scaled from that at all :mihawk

Tell me how many times Mach 10 is to a super human please.

Multipliers are allowed and quantifiable :zaru

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Even Baby Happy at 1/400th of his actual speed was able to move a decent amount of distance before Doriate's fist hit Gray :mihawk

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/350/11.pnghttp://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/350/12.png

Gray at 1/400th of his speed was also able to match Doriate's speed and dodge him :zaru

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/350/14.pnghttp://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/350/15.png

Numinous One
06-15-2015, 05:22 AM
Where'd you get that 1/400th from? I don't remember that arc in the slightest.

Rax
06-15-2015, 05:32 AM
Erza in the FF arc was able to summon 200 swords to attack the lightning lacrimas in the sky.

Under the effect's of Doriate's Law of Retrogression she could barely summon a single sword and Tartarus Erza is easily at least twice as strong, if not more, than FF arc Erza due to the SO power boost.

Even 1/200th means that Gray and the cats were able to outspeed a HS+ person, which puts them at MHS+ :lbj :zaru

Rax
06-15-2015, 06:50 AM
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/346/005.pnghttp://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/122/08.png
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/122/06.png


15 * 200 = Mach 3000
With 400 it's 6000

Gray would fuck up that Galan fella :smug

Maki
06-15-2015, 06:54 AM
Prove that it scales linearly.

Rax
06-15-2015, 06:57 AM
Law of Retrogression affects all of your stats.

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/349/02.png

Maki
06-15-2015, 06:59 AM
No, prove that summoning 200 swords takes 200x as much energy, or that moving 200 times faster takes 200x as much.

Akrona
06-15-2015, 07:01 AM
And yet no stated number for the decrease here either. What a coincidence. It's almost like you assumed it :zaru

Rax
06-15-2015, 07:01 AM
Erza said it took longer and required more magic to requip anything at all
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/346/006.png

Maki
06-15-2015, 07:13 AM
So adult erza doesn't even have 200x the magic power of a child

Rax
06-15-2015, 07:14 AM
What? That's Kid Erza under the effects of Doriate's magic.

Maki
06-15-2015, 07:25 AM
What? That's Kid Erza under the effects of Doriate's magic.

If swords are easier to summon as an adult, and she can only summon 200, then she had less than 200x as much magical energy

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What? That's Kid Erza under the effects of Doriate's magic.

If swords are easier to summon as an adult, and she can only summon 200, then she had less than 200x as much magical energy

Rax
06-15-2015, 07:28 AM
If swords are easier to summon as an adult, and she can only summon 200, then she had less than 200x as much magical energy

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If swords are easier to summon as an adult, and she can only summon 200, then she had less than 200x as much magical energy

I know, but I can only assume so much

200 is the definite minimum

Erza can be easily seen as twice as powerful in the Tartarus arc than she was in the FF arc, if not 3-4 times stronger.

200 Times the Mach 15 is Mach 3000

400 is Mach 6000

Which puts people on Tier with Gray as MHS+

And no, it isn't an outlier for the cats since Happy and co have always been extremely fast as they're main means of travel for long distances for them.

Bob
06-15-2015, 07:49 AM
keep assuming, ft even reached mach 100?

Rax
06-15-2015, 07:50 AM
How is that assuming at all?

That's using extremely low balling numbers. Erza only being twice as strong as she was back in FF is a really low assumption :lmao

Akira
06-15-2015, 08:02 AM
RoyalIce already told that to RH.
As you can see, it didn't make RH change his mind.

You're wasting your time :distracted
:maybe

Maki
06-15-2015, 08:02 AM
Where are you getting the baseline mach 15 from?

Rax
06-15-2015, 08:04 AM
It was a calc that had Mira's speed in Sirius Island for outrunning a point blank explosion based on a specific type of material found in fruits, which is how Azuma caused explosions.

Mach 6000 Gray :noworries

Maki
06-15-2015, 08:04 AM
But what makes their child versions that fast?

Akira
06-15-2015, 08:06 AM
It was a calc that had Mira's speed in Sirius Island for outrunning a point blank explosion based on a specific type of material found in fruits, which is how Azuma caused explosions.

Mach 6000 Gray :noworries
you make no sense :geg gray mach 6000 ???? scans please

Rax
06-15-2015, 08:12 AM
But what makes their child versions that fast?

Being able to dodge an attack from Doriate, the Exceeds straight outrunning him to save Gray from another attack. That means even in that state they were about the same in at least speed.


you make no sense :geg gray mach 6000 ???? scans please

Gray at around 1/200th to 1/400th of his strength was still able to dodge shit from Doriate and match him in speed and channel the Demon slayer magic through him before Doriate's hit landed.

Akira
06-15-2015, 08:12 AM
Being able to dodge an attack from Doriate, the Exceeds straight outrunning him to save Gray from another attack. That means even in that state they were about the same in at least speed.



Gray at around 1/200th to 1/400th of his strength was still able to dodge shit from Doriate and match him in speed and channel the Demon slayer magic through him before Doriate's hit landed.
scans ????

Maki
06-15-2015, 08:16 AM
What makes doriate that fast?

Rax
06-15-2015, 08:18 AM
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/350/11.pnghttp://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/350/12.png

Gray dodged again here

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/350/14.png

Matched his speed and channeled the magic through him before Doriate's attack went through

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/350/15.png

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What makes doriate that fast?

Artificial Etherius Demon is enough to put him at least on level with Sirius Island Mira's weakest Satan Soul form with barely any magic at all :sanji

Akira
06-15-2015, 08:35 AM
I see zero speed feat :sanji

Maki
06-15-2015, 08:44 AM
He got beat by a kid, he can't be that strong. Would Mira get beat by a kid?

Rax
06-15-2015, 08:48 AM
What?

The cats covered the distance between them and Gray plus more before Doriate landed a punch

Gray then dodged an attack from Doriate and matched his speed before channeling the demon slayer magic.

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He got beat by a kid, he can't be that strong. Would Mira get beat by a kid?

He was only beaten due to Gray channeling Silver's demon slaying magic from the ground below him, a magic that does fuck tons more damage to demons than what the user's actual DC is.

Mard was able to shrug off shit from Natsu including LFD attacks and bare hand grab and absorb The Twins Flash Fang attack like it was nothing but Gray's basic nameless Demon Slayer attacks were enough to cause Mard damage.

Akira
06-15-2015, 08:51 AM
you can't be serious !!! kid gray speed ???? Pathetic

Rax
06-15-2015, 08:54 AM
How is that pathetic when it's directly on panel? :psyduck

Akira
06-15-2015, 08:59 AM
It's pathetic because I can't see mach 6000 kid gray on this scan :zaru
no one in FT is MHS so stop rambling

Rax
06-15-2015, 09:02 AM
No, that's Mach 15 Gray on that panel

But that is Gray at at least 1/400th of his actual stats

Akira
06-15-2015, 09:12 AM
lol, http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Fullbuster
Speed: Supersonic+ | Hypersonic (Out sped Silver to the point where he was able to set ice clones of himself and move past them simultaneously while incantating Iced-shell) | Hypersonic+

Rax
06-15-2015, 09:13 AM
If you think that then go over to that forum :giogio

It doesn't even take into account the feat I'm going over.

Akira
06-15-2015, 09:24 AM
I did not need to go there because I'm agree with them,
there is no forum even think FT is MHS
stop dreaming, you can go check if you didn't believe me

Rax
06-15-2015, 09:38 AM
And yet I just showed you that Gray with 1/400th of his actual strength was able to dodge and match speeds with a HS+ person :psyduck

Akira
06-15-2015, 09:46 AM
nope, you have demonstrated nothing
try again

Rax
06-15-2015, 09:48 AM
I just showed the panels, dude

Quit being a butthurt troll

Akira
06-15-2015, 09:51 AM
it's your analysis that is consistent with this scan
the troll here is you
saying gray is mach 6000, lol !

Rax
06-15-2015, 09:53 AM
What possibly contradicts the panels ?

Akira
06-15-2015, 10:02 AM
do you known how fast is mach 6000 ?

Rax
06-15-2015, 10:05 AM
And?

You're pretty much saying Gray can't be that fast cause you don't want him to be :lmao

Akira
06-15-2015, 10:18 AM
no because even jellal is not that fast, and then your scan does not prove that he deploys such speed

Rax
06-15-2015, 10:21 AM
What says Jellal isn't that fast?

Akira
06-15-2015, 10:35 AM
because jellal is faster than both gray and natsu, since you say jellal is faster than laxus

black star
06-15-2015, 10:37 AM
Mach 6000 Gray? :facepalm

Maki
06-15-2015, 11:10 AM
It makes much more sense to just assume doriate is a shitter

I ran out of good names
06-15-2015, 11:38 AM
It makes much more sense to just assume doriate is a shitter
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/349/11

Rax
06-15-2015, 03:17 PM
That's plain Doriate, not him in a demon form

And actually , the Taurus feat is Mach 16 from what I recall anyway. There's zero possibly chance that him with his demon form is below FF arc Taurus

Maki
06-15-2015, 03:49 PM
That's plain Doriate, not him in a demon form

And actually , the Taurus feat is Mach 16 from what I recall anyway. There's zero possibly chance that him with his demon form is below FF arc Taurus

Well that form is what he was in when he used the regression magic.

Rax
06-15-2015, 03:52 PM
He used Law of Retrogression in both his base form and his demon form, Maki

Maki
06-15-2015, 03:58 PM
He used Law of Retrogression in both his base form and his demon form, Maki

Ok, tbh I stopped rereading that chapter chause I didn't expect something that dumb to happen.

Anyway, how come after the 'feat' you keep talking about, the exceeds get blitzed like 1 page afterwards?

Rax
06-15-2015, 04:02 PM
He didn't.

Gray dodged an attack from Doriate here

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/350/14.png

Then matched his speed

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/fairy-tail/350/15.png

There

The cats couldn't dodge again cause they had just move Gray and could barely fly in that state

Akrona
06-15-2015, 05:06 PM
So tell me, Rax. If Gray was 400 times slower when turned into a kid, but still managed to keep up with Doriate, then how does Gray as an adult still have trouble avoiding him? And why doesn't he just blitz him like nothing? After all, he's mach 6000, and Doriate is only a measly mach 16+ :zaru

Bob
06-15-2015, 05:12 PM
So tell me, Rax. If Gray was 400 times slower when turned into a kid, but still managed to keep up with Doriate, then how does Gray as an adult still have trouble avoiding him? And why doesn't he just blitz him like nothing? After all, he's mach 6000, and Doriate is only a measly mach 16+ :zaru

i can taste them rax tears now :hhh

W
06-15-2015, 05:18 PM
MACH 6000 GRAY LOL I'M DONE, LOOKS LIKE IMMA HAVE TO MAKE ROOM IN MY SIG.

Y
06-15-2015, 05:19 PM
MACH 6000 GRAY LOL I'M DONE, LOOKS LIKE IMMA HAVE TO MAKE ROOM IN MY SIG

Might as well make space for Black Star quotes :lmao

W
06-15-2015, 05:21 PM
Might as well make space for Black Star quotes :lmao
Might as well

Rax
06-15-2015, 05:33 PM
Cry more, W.

That's canon material thst shows Gray at 1/400th of his real stats is HS+


So tell me, Rax. If Gray was 400 times slower when turned into a kid, but still managed to keep up with Doriate, then how does Gray as an adult still have trouble avoiding him? And why doesn't he just blitz him like nothing? After all, he's mach 6000, and Doriate is only a measly mach 16+ :zaru.

Doriate was right in front of him and Gray was shocked at him being a demon related to Zeref.

Gray got up from it just fine

Akira
06-15-2015, 05:35 PM
you dare continue after that :facepalm

W
06-15-2015, 05:36 PM
Be a dumbass more Rax, Gray even as an adult couldn't out righ blitz him.

Rax
06-15-2015, 05:39 PM
Gray never fought him as an adult :geg

Gray straight blitzed Tempesta who was fighting on level with Natsu :zaru

W
06-15-2015, 05:42 PM
Gray never fought him as an adult :geg

Gray straight blitzed Tempesta who was fighting on level with Natsu :zaru
A much stringer version a Gray blitzed Tempesta, try again fag.

Akrona
06-15-2015, 05:44 PM
Cry more, W.

That's canon material thst shows Gray at 1/400th of his real stats is HS+

.

Doriate was right in front of him and Gray was shocked at him being a demon related to Zeref.

Gray got up from it just fine
Gray wasn't surprised until after he barely dodged a bit from Doriate. And even if he was surprised, that would be like Dark Schnieder getting tagged by Goku because he was "right in front of him and shocked". Even if that was the case, Gray should've been so much faster then Doriate that he would perceive him as being so slow as to not even be moving. That proves your calcs are bullshit :noworries

Rax
06-15-2015, 05:48 PM
A much stringer version a Gray blitzed Tempesta, try again fag.

All he got was a new magic. That didn't change any of his other stats seeing as it wouldn't increase his MP at a still



Gray wasn't surprised until after he barely dodged a bit from Doriate. And even if he was surprised, that would be like Dark Schnieder getting tagged by Goku because he was "right in front of him and shocked". Even if that was the case, Gray should've been so much faster then Doriate that he would perceive him as being so slow as to not even be moving. That proves your calcs are bullshit :noworries

He was entirely surprised and freaking out a bit
http://i15.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/350/fairy-tail-4434339.jpg

He was completely out of it earlier from Doriate just being a demon in general

Being able to hit someone far faster than you when your guard is completely off doesn't change shit. Goku got hit by able rock that was tossed able him cause he wasn't paying attenti, doesn't change his speed at all

Akira
06-15-2015, 05:50 PM
Be a dumbass more Rax, Gray even as an adult couldn't out righ blitz him.
pretty much

Rax
06-15-2015, 05:51 PM
Gray never fought him outside of his kid state :lmao

Shows you don't even know what you're talking about

W
06-15-2015, 05:52 PM
All he got was a new magic. That didn't change any of his other stats seeing as it wouldn't increase his MP at a still




He was entirely surprised and freaking out a bit
http://i15.p.mangacdn.com/fairy-tail/350/fairy-tail-4434339.jpg

He was completely out of it earlier from Doriate just being a demon in general

Being able to hit someone far faster than you when your guard is completely off doesn't change shit. Goku got hit by able rock that was tossed able him cause he wasn't paying attenti, doesn't change his speed at allIt did affect his stats plus Tempesta isn't MHS.

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Gray wasn't surprised until after he barely dodged a bit from Doriate. And even if he was surprised, that would be like Dark Schnieder getting tagged by Goku because he was "right in front of him and shocked". Even if that was the case, Gray should've been so much faster then Doriate that he would perceive him as being so slow as to not even be moving. That proves your calcs are bullshit :noworries
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